*Your opinions on Headers*
I thought the e looked a little different, I just wasn't for sure.
800 for gmmg, that sounds like a lot of money to me. I seen SS Bassani TD's for 900. Sounds like to me you just got porked. My y is garbage. It beats the bajesus out of my floor board even with the mufflex bump stop. I'm still waiting on my TSP duals.
800 for gmmg, that sounds like a lot of money to me. I seen SS Bassani TD's for 900. Sounds like to me you just got porked. My y is garbage. It beats the bajesus out of my floor board even with the mufflex bump stop. I'm still waiting on my TSP duals.
Originally Posted by DANSBIRD
Yes, i want it over the axle... Now that I think about it, iv heard the bassani and it sounded like a truck. I hated it actually.
Originally Posted by 98Camarod
I thought the e looked a little different, I just wasn't for sure.
800 for gmmg, that sounds like a lot of money to me. I seen SS Bassani TD's for 900. Sounds like to me you just got porked. My y is garbage. It beats the bajesus out of my floor board even with the mufflex bump stop. I'm still waiting on my TSP duals.
800 for gmmg, that sounds like a lot of money to me. I seen SS Bassani TD's for 900. Sounds like to me you just got porked. My y is garbage. It beats the bajesus out of my floor board even with the mufflex bump stop. I'm still waiting on my TSP duals.
:boggled: have you ever priced GMMGs? I'm thinking no. I dont know why some of you are so persistant w/ TDs... i dont want them
I love my GMMG and need a set of SS headers to compliment them. Thats all i'm looking for. My friend has "race style" Kooks 1-3/4", Kooks catted-y, and GMMG. I installed the headers/y-pipe and it all went together perfect, and I deleted his AIR system too. I would not recommend getting an ORY with the GMMG, starts sounding too "splatty".
The 1-3/4" are probably all you'll ever need. Even if you throw in a stroker one day, you'll only be holding back 10rwhp or so, and you'll probably retain a little torque. As for coating, I wouldn't worry about it. I'd rather have STAINLESS visible under my hood than ceramic coating. Also, ceramic coating will turn brown one day, no matter if it's on top of stainless or mild steel. The underhood temp differences are not enough to worry about. I like the goldish tint that the stainless primaries take on too.
The 1-3/4" are probably all you'll ever need. Even if you throw in a stroker one day, you'll only be holding back 10rwhp or so, and you'll probably retain a little torque. As for coating, I wouldn't worry about it. I'd rather have STAINLESS visible under my hood than ceramic coating. Also, ceramic coating will turn brown one day, no matter if it's on top of stainless or mild steel. The underhood temp differences are not enough to worry about. I like the goldish tint that the stainless primaries take on too.
Thats the going rate for them. All Im saying is that is a portion of the exhaust. Another 100 and you have the whole system. I realize that you do not want them, you cant go wrong with kooks or qtp. Thats just not my cup of tea, over 1000 for some headers and perform mirror like to pacesetters. I got your response already, "they're SS, thats what I want." Just make sure your rents paid 
Originally Posted by 98Camarod
Thats the going rate for them. All Im saying is that is a portion of the exhaust. Another 100 and you have the whole system. I realize that you do not want them, you cant go wrong with kooks or qtp. Thats just not my cup of tea, over 1000 for some headers and perform mirror like to pacesetters. I got your response already, "they're SS, thats what I want." Just make sure your rents paid
the "rents" dont pay for the parts on my car. I do. I dont go the cheap way out, if i get something done, I use top-quality parts. I dont use parts that'll be good for maybe 5 years, like a set of coated pacesetters. GMMG, Borla, Corsa, they are arguably the best catbacks on the market and you pay a premium for that. I love the way a GMMG sounds, its a 2 chambered stainless steel exhaust and its my preference. The Bassani I heard sounded like total *** and if my car sounded like the one I heard, i would have totally regretted it. Having true duals is nothing special. gives you around the same power gains as headers/y/catback. yea, its nice, but i'm going for sound and efficiency. Until I find a true dual package that I like, I'm sticking w/ the settup I have.
Originally Posted by TheBlurLS1
My friend has "race style" Kooks 1-3/4", Kooks catted-y, and GMMG. I installed the headers/y-pipe and it all went together perfect, and I deleted his AIR system too. I would not recommend getting an ORY with the GMMG, starts sounding too "splatty".
The 1-3/4" are probably all you'll ever need. Even if you throw in a stroker one day, you'll only be holding back 10rwhp or so, and you'll probably retain a little torque. As for coating, I wouldn't worry about it. I'd rather have STAINLESS visible under my hood than ceramic coating. Also, ceramic coating will turn brown one day, no matter if it's on top of stainless or mild steel. The underhood temp differences are not enough to worry about. I like the goldish tint that the stainless primaries take on too.
The 1-3/4" are probably all you'll ever need. Even if you throw in a stroker one day, you'll only be holding back 10rwhp or so, and you'll probably retain a little torque. As for coating, I wouldn't worry about it. I'd rather have STAINLESS visible under my hood than ceramic coating. Also, ceramic coating will turn brown one day, no matter if it's on top of stainless or mild steel. The underhood temp differences are not enough to worry about. I like the goldish tint that the stainless primaries take on too.
Thank you for your help. I'm most appreciative, and for the simple fact you actually kept to topic and knew what the hell you were talking about.
Originally Posted by DANSBIRD
Having true duals is nothing special. gives you around the same power gains as headers/y/catback.
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Verdad Gallardo One last question... Does "Race Style" mean ORY? and "Emission Style" mean running cats? or are these 4 totally seperate things. Like can you run a race-style header w/ cats? sorry,
Originally Posted by lsx24
Incorrect. Duals with xpipe crossover will always out-perform a ypipe, because of scavenging. Ypipes don't scavenge, like shorty headers don't scavenge. You will see more midrange tq with duals, more than you would a ypipe. That's why they are so "special", because they make more power. Why do you think vettes and GTOs come with duals as standard.
Originally Posted by DANSBIRD
One last question... Does "Race Style" mean ORY? and "Emission Style" mean running cats? or are these 4 totally seperate things. Like can you run a race-style header w/ cats? sorry,
Cats are something totally different. You can run race style headers with cats, that would be my recommended combination.
Originally Posted by brad8266
Q. What kind of gains can I expect with true duals?
A. If you have stock exhaust you will pick up around 30HP by going to duals with a set of headers. If you already have headers and a cat-back, don’t expect a big gain, but some are to be had if the catback is very.
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Originally Posted by lsx24
Race style = no emissions fittings. Ie, no EGR and AIR connections.
Cats are something totally different. You can run race style headers with cats, that would be my recommended combination.
Cats are something totally different. You can run race style headers with cats, that would be my recommended combination.
Originally Posted by DANSBIRD
Comprehension > you. I said "similar" power. NOT that a true dual created less power. Gaining 5-10hp by spending a ton of money doing something I didnt want done in the 1st place means very little to me.
Originally Posted by lsx24
Dumped true duals like the TSP kit is straight hillbilly.
I also hate seeing true duals running under the axle. Yea, it'll work, but it looks horrible, to me, and cuts your ground clearance down a LOT. Maybe by the time this GMMG wears out, i will have found a set of true duals that I like enough to buy. I do believe that if a car has an exhaut pipe on each side of the car, it should also have a pipe coming from the motor to each tip... but oh well. 
Depending on how emissions are done in your state, get race style. Race style= no emissions hook ups (air,egr) Kooks are great. Stainless steel is the way to go. Coated on top of that is overkill. Coated is also not as good as Stainless Steel.
BLUR !!!! why is this thread still going on? for a man who has close to 400post (surely who has read the ls1 acronyms sticky) not to know what the diff between air egr and ory and after two pages of info and wants to argue about paying rent or rents whatever...helpless
No one with any intelligence calls there parents "rents". They are called room mates. If you are trying to say that my parents pay for my **** you're rediculous. I may live with my parents but I'm going to school full time and working full time to fund my cars and the insurance for them. I am willing to wager money that I have better credit than you too. TD's give greater power than your y/gmmg setup will for a cheaper price. If you think it is worth spending $2,000 for your exhaust then go ahead. I'll stick with my $700 with more power and better sounding exhaust. Are you going to install your headers yourself or are you gonna wimp out and pay for the install too?
Last edited by 98Camarod; Jan 31, 2007 at 09:40 PM.
1 3/4" vs. 1 7/8" all depends on your plans for the car.
If you plan on a radical h/c set-up, big stroker or FI then I'd go 1 7/8"
Cat's vs. no cat's is a personal preference. For a catback like the GMMG I'd probably go with cat's myself as it could get obnoxious w/o cats depending on your personal taste with a free flowing louder catback such as the GMMG.
Have you thought of American Racing Headers?
I just got them for my '02 WS6 w/ no fittings in 1 7/8" (plan on a D1SC set-up) and had them fab up some nice TD's for me...the headers are amazing and the work they did with the TD's is nothing but beautiful, I couldn't be happier.
You can see some pics and more details of the headers HERE and my TD set-up in this thread HERE
If you plan on a radical h/c set-up, big stroker or FI then I'd go 1 7/8"
Cat's vs. no cat's is a personal preference. For a catback like the GMMG I'd probably go with cat's myself as it could get obnoxious w/o cats depending on your personal taste with a free flowing louder catback such as the GMMG.
Have you thought of American Racing Headers?
I just got them for my '02 WS6 w/ no fittings in 1 7/8" (plan on a D1SC set-up) and had them fab up some nice TD's for me...the headers are amazing and the work they did with the TD's is nothing but beautiful, I couldn't be happier.
You can see some pics and more details of the headers HERE and my TD set-up in this thread HERE
Last edited by cobrakillerta; Jan 31, 2007 at 09:42 PM.