Speedfreaks101

If someone will preform this test it will total elimnate the discussion. It will be settled. I know what all the dyno results have been including the good, bad and the ugly, but even I would like to see the results........TrevorD have you ever had a chance to do this yet? Anyone?????
Not trying to be argumentative, just want to hear results.....

2000Firehawk

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I HAVE BOTH & WILL BE TESTING LATER THIS MONTH.
Funny thing is I have some pinging with lid/SLP cold air setup. With FIPK pinginging is gone <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> maybe less airflow into engine <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> So track testing may still not show good results do to pinging issue with my lid vs FIPK. Need to get a MAF translater. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Dave

<small>[ April 01, 2002, 08:18 AM: Message edited by: 2000Firehawk ]</small>

Drew778

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What about 2 different cars both dynoed 299hp stock, both are a 2002 SS around the same amount of miles and both are A-4's.

I have the K&N FIPK, (dynoed 314hp)

He has a lid and K&N filter (318hp)

Would this be acceptable?

<small>[ April 01, 2002, 09:45 AM: Message edited by: drew778 ]</small>

RoRsChAcH

AHHHHHHH! I wish this issue would be settled by now! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Im still deciding on which way to go...hummmmm...FIPK or lid/ftra. <img border="0" alt="[fight]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" />

Jstyle

what does FRA stand for sorry about the dumb question. Also what lid and ram air or cold air combo do you guys think is best I have a SS

Speedfreaks101

FRA = Free Ram Air
here is a link to show you how to preform this mod.

Free Ram Air

The Guy in MY 99TA

FIPK!!!!!!!

Josh-S.

My-space-bar-stopped-working-so-i'll-have-to-wait-to-reply-w/more-info!!

Bob2of3

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These threads are starting to read like the old HOT CAM wars last year <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

LAter <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

WeatherGuy

Well - everyone probably knows where I stand on this given my other post, BUT

since I do not yet have a cage in my car, if someone would like to go out to HRP this Friday or Sunday and try back to back runs with a lid, I will loan my FIPK for a run so that we can see. If interested, shoot me an email.

Greg

The Juggernaut

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Track results will be as conclusive as dyno results.
Some will gain alot some will lose alot.I got over 7rwhp on a dyno.(over a lid and filter)
My car is faster than ever at the track.
It may also depend on the car .Alot of people gain good HP w/ a cutout.
I lost hp and torque.
Weatherguy-I can't see how that loss is possible.What was your air/fuel ratio?
THAT IS KEY!Is it possible that your car is getting TOO much air?Throwing off
your A/F?Show me a dyno graph with FRA and filter vs. FIPK with the same A/F.
Your car also has to 'learn' the new system.
When I dynoed my FIPK vs. lid and filter,I was driving around on my FIPK and changed
to a lid and filter and dynoed then back to the FIPK.A/F ratio being the same,
I got good gains out of the FIPK.
Since it is not a forced induction application, your motor will TAKE all the air it needs.
I have a feeling you were not getting enough fuel,but I could be wrong.
Please let me know.You were as shocked as I am about your test. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

FUTURESTRADER

Posted by 01-Z:

Track results will be as conclusive as dyno results.
Some will gain alot some will lose alot.I got over 7rwhp on a dyno.(over a lid and filter)
My car is faster than ever at the track.
It may also depend on the car .Alot of people gain good HP w/ a cutout.
I lost hp and torque.
Weatherguy-I can't see how that loss is possible.What was your air/fuel ratio?
THAT IS KEY!Is it possible that your car is getting TOO much air?Throwing off
your A/F?Show me a dyno graph with FRA and filter vs. FIPK with the same A/F.
Your car also has to 'learn' the new system.
When I dynoed my FIPK vs. lid and filter,I was driving around on my FIPK and changed
to a lid and filter and dynoed then back to the FIPK.A/F ratio being the same,
I got good gains out of the FIPK.
Since it is not a forced induction application, your motor will TAKE all the air it needs.
I have a feeling you were not getting enough fuel,but I could be wrong.
Please let me know.You were as shocked as I am about your test.
---------------------------------------------
Go Get Em 01-Z,

I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe both sides are right???

I have a New '01 Trans Am M6 with 2,100 miles "Bone Stock". Last Saturday I installed my FIPK (first mod) drove the car about 50 miles, then did my own SOTP test.

I woke this (LS1) bitch up!!!

My car has better throttle response, quicker rpm's, and "Growls" like a lion. I love it. When I hit 2nd gear my tires spun like never before (caught me off gaurd)this car pulls way harder. I honestly did not think I would feel any SOTP improvement before I did this mod.

I am adding FLP long tubes and catback so I wanted to get as much air intake as possibe.

I have seen at least 8 dynos on Ls1tech.com, LS1.com, mfba.org, and camaroz28.com that have all shown gains "OVER" a Lid/Filter. However I do not know if these test were done with the "Hood Closed" (I'm guesssing they were open)which I think would be more accurate if closed.

I too was shocked by the resulting loss of 24HP when I read that dyno test. Others on this board have "Slammed" me for commenting since I have never had a Lid/Filter previously.

My point is this:
My '01 T/A M6 performs way better than before, so how could there be a HP/TQ loss as many have stated. Maybe you're right, his A/F ratio was messed up (although I doubt it). I think that any more dynos need to be with "Hood Closed" and correct A/F ratios. In addition maybe slightly modified cars do better than High HP cars.

I will accept the results either way Good/Bad when several A4 F-bods show us their 1/4 mile times, this is the only way to show conclusively if the FIPK works.

I would test it myself but the tracks don't open for another 6 weeks.

Can't wait to see the results!!!

FUTURESTRADER

Posted by RGVelite:


posted February 21, 2002

I INSTALLED A KN FIPK ON MY TA. I RAN A 13.76/105.7 ON MY G-TECH STOCK. WITH THE FIPK I WENT 13.43/109.60 MPH. THE G-TECH MILES PER OUR ARE 6MPH OFF IM SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.

WeatherGuy

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 01-Z:
<strong>Track results will be as conclusive as dyno results.
Some will gain alot some will lose alot.I got over 7rwhp on a dyno.(over a lid and filter)
My car is faster than ever at the track.
It may also depend on the car .Alot of people gain good HP w/ a cutout.
I lost hp and torque.
Weatherguy-I can't see how that loss is possible.What was your air/fuel ratio?
THAT IS KEY!Is it possible that your car is getting TOO much air?Throwing off
your A/F?Show me a dyno graph with FRA and filter vs. FIPK with the same A/F.
Your car also has to 'learn' the new system.
When I dynoed my FIPK vs. lid and filter,I was driving around on my FIPK and changed
to a lid and filter and dynoed then back to the FIPK.A/F ratio being the same,
I got good gains out of the FIPK.
Since it is not a forced induction application, your motor will TAKE all the air it needs.
I have a feeling you were not getting enough fuel,but I could be wrong.
Please let me know.You were as shocked as I am about your test. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Your question is a good one, but I can tell you that the A/F ratio, the O2s, etc. were perfect with BOTH of those runs on the dyno. Jayson (who was dynoing the car) was watching them like a hawk when we did these tests.

Incidentally, I had been using the FIPK setup for a little while, and drove to MTI with it on. If anything, the car would have been more adjusted to that than the lid/FRA setup.

2kredCSS

lol guys, Dyno the car with the hood closed and watch how much power the fipk loses. one guy lost like 20 hp with the hood shut. then switched to a lid and opened his ftra and his gains were higher and more stable open/closed hood.

Freak

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by FUTURESTRADER:
<strong>
My point is this:
My '01 T/A M6 performs way better than before, so how could there be a HP/TQ loss as many have stated. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Quite simply, if you gained lets say 10 HP/TQ with the FIPK and if you had tried a lid you would have gained 15 HP/TQ then you lost 5 HP/TQ over the lid setup with the FIPK. No one said the FIPK would lose power over the stock setup...

the reason you got slammed in the other post is because you are comparing two differnt things (FIPK vs Stock to FIPK vs Lid) to each other and using that as evidence that the test was wrong.

<small>[ April 03, 2002, 06:33 PM: Message edited by: Freak ]</small>

Rock01T/A

lid ftra 13.58 @ 105.4

fipk 13.44 @ 105.2

A4 2.73 gear only other mod hooker cat back

FUTURESTRADER

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Freak:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by FUTURESTRADER:
<strong>
My point is this:
My '01 T/A M6 performs way better than before, so how could there be a HP/TQ loss as many have stated. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Quite simply, if you gained lets say 10 HP/TQ with the FIPK and if you had tried a lid you would have gained 15 HP/TQ then you lost 5 HP/TQ over the lid setup with the FIPK. No one said the FIPK would lose power over the stock setup...

the reason you got slammed in the other post is because you are comparing two differnt things (FIPK vs Stock to FIPK vs Lid) to each other and using that as evidence that the test was wrong.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">-------------------------------------
FUTURESTRADER RESPONSE:

I think you're missing my point. Many people are claiming that the FIPK will always cost HP, my point is that my FIPK definately increased the performance of my car. So, even though I have never had a aftermarket lid, I did gain performance. Whether or not it gains over a Lid, only track testing will tell for sure.

Pro Stock John

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I will test it.

I have purchased an FIPK, and I currently have a regular lower with FRA, Fram filter and a Whisper lid.

I will leave the FIPK bellows in between the TB and the MAF, no problem there right?

My best time in Jan was with NO air filter, but with FRA and the Whisper lid. I am very uncomfortable running with no filter, even though my 85MAF has a screen in it.

I'll run lid + fram air filter + FRA, then,
FIPK + FRA,
then NO filter + FRA and LID.

My feeling is that the KN will perform as well as No filter and better than the Fram.

John
ARE 422ci

BadMonkey

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Rock01T/A:
<strong>lid ftra 13.58 @ 105.4

fipk 13.44 @ 105.2

A4 2.73 gear only other mod hooker cat back</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That looks more like better traction, then a difference in induction. What where your 60' times? I think it would have to be averaged between about 10 diferent runs each with the at least a .1 dif in 60' times. And I know the FIPK is not going to give you traction. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Either way I honestly think either one does about the same for you. If you take everyone one this board and their times and what they use LID/FRTA or FIPK and average them I bet they will be damn close. I already spent the money on my lid and FRTA and get good enough results that I am not going to change. +/-.1 on the 1/4 really isn't going to make that much of a difference to me. It ain't lately that close enough normally anyway around here, it is usually one extreme or the other.

<small>[ April 04, 2002, 03:03 PM: Message edited by: bd mnky ]</small>

Freak

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by FUTURESTRADER:

I think you're missing my point. Many people are claiming that the FIPK will always cost HP, my point is that my FIPK definately increased the performance of my car. So, even though I have never had a aftermarket lid, I did gain performance. Whether or not it gains over a Lid, only track testing will tell for sure.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I havent heard anyone ever say that the FIPK will cost power over the stock setup. if you have then yes i can see your point, but the lid vs FIPK and stock vs FIPK are still two completely different topics and in the other post they were comparing the aftermarket lid to the FIPK. not the stock setup.