Mustang sound?
Originally Posted by 900hpSS
PS i did the cam thing and If i were you i would do some serious research before you put a set of cams in that car. it's not like the LS1's where you put a cam in and get an extra 100hp. i put what they call a stage 3 cam in it and didn't notice any more power. they told me on average you would gain about 11hp. that sucks. it did sound a little better but not like you would expect. i put compcams part number 102300 in the car. if it were me i would save that money and buy a blower. good luck!
If anybody has any Mod Motor experience with cams, let me know. Thanks!
Brian
As much as I love my LS1 and the sound of one with Long-tube headers, ORY and a cutout, I like the sound of a Mustang with full exhaust even better. Slap headers, an off-road H-pipe and 2 chamber Flowmasters on a 5.0 or 4.6 and (while it might be no where close to being the fastest thing on the road) it will sound absolutely freaking nasty!
I always thought it was funny hearing some of the modded 5.0's in the late 80's, early 90's.....many struggled to run a low 14-second 1/4 mile, however the sounded sweet running through the gears!
I always thought it was funny hearing some of the modded 5.0's in the late 80's, early 90's.....many struggled to run a low 14-second 1/4 mile, however the sounded sweet running through the gears!
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Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
Well, that's crap too!
Ford has used several different firing orders for their small blocks over the years. And they all sound the same with an identical exhaust behind them. A coworker of mine has old 84 Mustang that someone else dropped in a non-HO 5.0L in it. He eventually over-revved that motor and put in a stock longblock from an 89 Mustang at it sounded no different...
Ford has used several different firing orders for their small blocks over the years. And they all sound the same with an identical exhaust behind them. A coworker of mine has old 84 Mustang that someone else dropped in a non-HO 5.0L in it. He eventually over-revved that motor and put in a stock longblock from an 89 Mustang at it sounded no different...
Or, do you mean that the non H.O version had the 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 firing order???
Last edited by N2OGTO; May 31, 2007 at 04:33 PM.
Originally Posted by N2OGTO
So what you're saying is he swapped a 5.0 to a 5.0 and it sounded the same with the same exhaust??? Well god damn, would have never knew that if it wasn't for your insightful post...
Or, do you mean that the non H.O version had the 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 firing order???
Or, do you mean that the non H.O version had the 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 firing order???
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first when the ls1 F bodys started to hit the roads i didn't like the sound of it.. thougth it hadn't enough bass and muscle car sound, but now i kinda love it.. it sounds like nothing else and with exhaust its realy brutal.. when i installed my loudmouth peaople stared at my when i was driving..
vut the stangs have always sounded good in my opinion..
vut the stangs have always sounded good in my opinion..
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Originally Posted by BAD2000TA
Yeah, that's what I've been researching. There are some good gains, but nothing crazy. My biggest issue is that the decent cams only make power above 4,000 rpm, but the torque is terrible at 2000; below 200 pounds. Right now, her car has 250+ 2000 rpm and above. Don't want to give up that much torque, as this isn't a drag car. VT Stage 2 or Crower Stage 2's look good. She's also wants a nice lope at idle. So, I keep researching.
If anybody has any Mod Motor experience with cams, let me know. Thanks!
Brian
If anybody has any Mod Motor experience with cams, let me know. Thanks!
Brian
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Some of you reffered to my old setup, I had it made for my LS1 RX7
True Dual 3" w/H pipe exhauast, no cats
Dual 40 series flowmasters
See idle video with 'mufflers'
http://www.indyhpmedia.com/index.php...BlackBoosted2/
I wouldn't say it made the LS1 sound like a mustang, but it sounded good. There are a few local mod motor cars that sound better than any LS1 i've heard
True Dual 3" w/H pipe exhauast, no cats
Dual 40 series flowmasters
See idle video with 'mufflers'
http://www.indyhpmedia.com/index.php...BlackBoosted2/
I wouldn't say it made the LS1 sound like a mustang, but it sounded good. There are a few local mod motor cars that sound better than any LS1 i've heard
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From: Hoover, AL
Block material, cylinder head port design, fireing order, combustion chamber size and shape, valve size, compression, exhaust, intake design, engine design, cam specs, should i keep going? all those factors affect the way an engine sounds. Buick, Olds, Pontiac, and Chevy, all made SB 350's and BB 400's, don't remember if the pontiac 400 was considered a bb? anyway, because of their different designs they all sound different, even with the same exhaust systems. Ford didn't plan for their modular motors to sound that way. They just got lucky. GM never puts any thought into how a motor is gonna sound when they design one either, it more or less just happens, to put it simply. The true art in "sound fabrication" is what GM did with the new gto when it first came out. Managing to take a motor that was completly unrelated to the 389's that were makin the sound they were after and damn near accomplishing it through exhaust system tuning alone. That's pretty damn impressive to me, i can't even imagine the hours that went into that alone.
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From: gardner,ks
I've read all of your replies and I think I figured it out, ford spent the time to develope their sound and GM spent the time to make it fast, maybe that is why they aren't made anymore because there were too many pussies worried about sound and not how fast their car is. Mine sounds just fine all stock passing you at triple digits.
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by SeansslowZ28
mustangs sound like crap! they sound like a bunch of marbles in a tin can... I definately like the sound of an LS1 over a mustang
you guys are putting way too much thought into this. block type is a moot point. stroke is a moot point. mufflers are a moot point. yes, they all influence the sound, but if you took an LS1 and somehow gave it the same firing order as a mustang and strapped an H-pipe with 2 super 40's on it, i can guarantee you it would sound almost the same as the classic mustang sound. firing order is the overwhelmingly biggest influence on sound. why do you think ferrari's and lamborghini's sound like they do? similar firing orders.
if i had to pull numbers out of my butt, i'd say sound has to do 65% firing order, 25% muffler and 10% everything else. that's my opinion.
does anyone know how to screw with an engine and change its firing order (yes, i realize this would take huge alterations in design)? is it even possible? it would be a hell of a thing if we could take an LS1 and find a way to give it the exact same firing order as a 5.0 mustang to see how the sound would change. is this possible? because that would be AWESOME!
Last edited by ChocoTaco369; Jun 4, 2007 at 10:44 PM.
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
Does anyone here realize that the Ford V8s and the LS1 have THE SAME FIRING ORDER!?
LS1 firing order: 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3
Ford 5.0 firing order: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Ford 4.6 firing order: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
the 4.6 and 5.0 have the SAME FIRING ORDER! that is why they sound so similar, despite the fact the 4.6 is a mod motor, smaller in displacement and a completely different design. this is because firing order is almost entirely reponsible for the sound an engine makes!
like i said, if you want your LS1 to sound like a mustang, figure out how to make its firing order the same. that would be interesting
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... Lol.There's been some good posts in this thread. A few of you guys said it already, but our sound comes from our overall engine design. This includes the the heads, block material, firing order, number of valves, etc. Also, our exhaust set up as a whole contributes to the sound. A lot of people, like me, are **** about how our exhaust sounds. Sometimes it will take months before someone will decide on an exhaust set up to run on their stang.
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
no they don't..
LS1 firing order: 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3
Ford 5.0 firing order: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Ford 4.6 firing order: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
LS1 firing order: 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3
Ford 5.0 firing order: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Ford 4.6 firing order: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
The numerical representation of the firing order means nothing when the two different manufacturers number the cylinders in the engine differently. Again, I say, the LS1 and the 4.6 and HO 5.0L engines share the same firing order.
Ford engine:
4.....8
3.....7
2.....6
1.....5
LS1 engine:
8.....7
6.....5
4.....3
2.....1
Now apply each firing order to the proper engine and note the order of firing cylinders. You'll see the the cylinders fire in the exact same firing order!
Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
YES, THEY DO! Not very good with abstract thinking?
Ford engine:
c1....c2....r
4.....8 .... 1
3.....7 ....2
2.....6.... 3
1.....5.... 4
LS1 engine:
c1....c2....r
8.....7....1
6.....5.... 2
4.....3....3
2.....1.... 4
Now apply each firing order to the proper engine and note the order of firing cylinders. You'll see the the cylinders fire in the exact same firing order!
Ford engine:
c1....c2....r
4.....8 .... 1
3.....7 ....2
2.....6.... 3
1.....5.... 4
LS1 engine:
c1....c2....r
8.....7....1
6.....5.... 2
4.....3....3
2.....1.... 4
Now apply each firing order to the proper engine and note the order of firing cylinders. You'll see the the cylinders fire in the exact same firing order!
Ford 5.0 firing order: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Ford 4.6 firing order: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Following your thinking chief.. now unless I too failed kindergarten.. you know where you put the circle inside the square till all your buds werein 6th grade...
Follow me with 4 rows and 2 columns.. numbering them r1-4 and c1-2.
r4c2-r1c1-r1c2-r4c1-r2c1-r2c2-r3c1-r3c2. this is for the ls1 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3
r4c1-r2c1-r2c2-r3c1-r3c2-r4c2-r1c1-r1c2.this is for the ford1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
If im not mistaken,.. the way you drew it out chief, at no point in their firing sequence do they ever line up.
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by Dip Stick
LS1 firing order: 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3
Ford 5.0 firing order: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Ford 4.6 firing order: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Following your thinking chief.. now unless I too failed kindergarten.. you know where you put the circle inside the square till all your buds werein 6th grade...
Follow me with 4 rows and 2 columns.. numbering them r1-4 and c1-2.
r4c2-r1c1-r1c2-r4c1-r2c1-r2c2-r3c1-r3c2. this is for the ls1 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3
r4c1-r2c1-r2c2-r3c1-r3c2-r4c2-r1c1-r1c2.this is for the ford1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
If im not mistaken,.. the way you drew it out chief, at no point in their firing sequence do they ever line up.
Ford 5.0 firing order: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Ford 4.6 firing order: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Following your thinking chief.. now unless I too failed kindergarten.. you know where you put the circle inside the square till all your buds werein 6th grade...
Follow me with 4 rows and 2 columns.. numbering them r1-4 and c1-2.
r4c2-r1c1-r1c2-r4c1-r2c1-r2c2-r3c1-r3c2. this is for the ls1 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3
r4c1-r2c1-r2c2-r3c1-r3c2-r4c2-r1c1-r1c2.this is for the ford1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
If im not mistaken,.. the way you drew it out chief, at no point in their firing sequence do they ever line up.
marc, follow the damn design yourself. the first two cylinders don't even match up. in order for the ford engine to be the same as the LS1's 1-8, the ford has to be 5-4. it's not. the firing orders aren't even close! you just owned yourself. honestly, how did you come to the conclusion they're the same. they're not even remotely similar!
honestly, marc, is this a joke? assuming your engine diagrams are correct, in order for the ford to fire the same, it has to fire 5-4-8-1-3-7-2-6. is that even remotely close to the ford's firing order of 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8? there isn't even one single cylinder that matches up!
Last edited by ChocoTaco369; Jun 5, 2007 at 06:22 PM.
