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Stock internals.. What's it mean??
Stock internals.. What's it mean?? Ok.. We are going to try this again.. I'm hoping that clears up the previous poll..
Only click on the items you feel you can put on your car and retain a stock internal status..
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Only click on the items you feel you can put on your car and retain a stock internal status..
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Last edited by LIL SS; Jul 3, 2008 at 03:50 PM.
Thanks Dan.. I fixed it before it got very far.. I don't know why I am so flipping lame today...
But your post doesn't makes sense either by clicking on crank, pistons ect..
Only click on the items you feel you can put on your car and retain a stock internal status..
But your post doesn't makes sense either by clicking on crank, pistons ect..
Only click on the items you feel you can put on your car and retain a stock internal status..
.. Doesn't internals mean the inside of something in this case the engine? So stock internals means you have not changed stock parts out for upgrade aftermarket parts or ported or changed stock parts. Last edited by 5301113; Jul 11, 2008 at 10:36 AM.
Basically, with the exception of the cam.
This poll is still FUBAR'd.
It should be "check off what you think internal parts are"
Three things: Crank, pistons, and rods.
Valvetrain doesn't count, it's no big deal to change pushrods or rockers, or even the cam for that matter, and a cylinder head is not an internal part, so that doesn't count either.
I don't know what the confusion is, or why this requires 3 threads.
Internals = Crank, pistons, rods
And what's up with the results? 90% of people think that pushrods can be changed and still have a stock internal status, but only 60% for most common bolt ons?
Last edited by StuntmanMike; Jul 3, 2008 at 04:15 PM.
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Basically, with the exception of the cam.
This poll is still FUBAR'd.
It should be "check off what you think internal parts are"
Three things: Crank, pistons, and rods.
Valvetrain doesn't count, it's no big deal to change pushrods or rockers, or even the cam for that matter, and a cylinder head is not an internal part, so that doesn't count either.
I don't know what they confusion is, or why this requires a poll.
Internals = Crank, pistons, rods
This poll is still FUBAR'd.
It should be "check off what you think internal parts are"
Three things: Crank, pistons, and rods.
Valvetrain doesn't count, it's no big deal to change pushrods or rockers, or even the cam for that matter, and a cylinder head is not an internal part, so that doesn't count either.
I don't know what they confusion is, or why this requires a poll.
Internals = Crank, pistons, rods
If it requires constant oil supply to operate without wear, it's an internal. If too much rpm etc can cause it to break and the engine subsequently can't run without it, it's an internal. If it's a part of the combustion chamber, it's an internal
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"Stock Internals" for most of us that's been around for a while means stock long block (as it came from the factory) never taken apart.
A motor that has been apart and put back together using "stock" parts should have a different name. To cut the confusion, I recommend using something different, like "Factory Stock" for example.
A motor that has been apart and put back together using "stock" parts should have a different name. To cut the confusion, I recommend using something different, like "Factory Stock" for example.
I see a lot of people posting up that a cam swap and head swap retains stock internals. Since I have been on this site (almost it's entire existance) the understanding of internals refered to pretty much anything that touched oil (excluding the TB and intake due to the PCV system). Even the way the external engine forum label is writen:
It doesn't say anything about cam or heads. I'm wondering when this shift of cam and head swaps became "stock internals"
I'm wondering what people feel are internals these days..
Crank, rods, pistons are roating assembly and are deffinately stock internals.. IMO a cam, heads are internals. Even 1.85 rockers IMO are borderline since they change valve train both in lift and duration.
It doesn't say anything about cam or heads. I'm wondering when this shift of cam and head swaps became "stock internals"
I'm wondering what people feel are internals these days..
Crank, rods, pistons are roating assembly and are deffinately stock internals.. IMO a cam, heads are internals. Even 1.85 rockers IMO are borderline since they change valve train both in lift and duration.
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I see a lot of people posting up that a cam swap and head swap retains stock internals. Since I have been on this site (almost it's entire existance) the understanding of internals refered to pretty much anything that touched oil (excluding the TB and intake due to the PCV system). Even the way the external engine forum label is writen:
It doesn't say anything about cam or heads. I'm wondering when this shift of cam and head swaps became "stock internals"
I'm wondering what people feel are internals these days..
Crank, rods, pistons are roating assembly and are deffinately stock internals.. IMO a cam, heads are internals. Even 1.85 rockers IMO are borderline since they change valve train both in lift and duration.
It doesn't say anything about cam or heads. I'm wondering when this shift of cam and head swaps became "stock internals"
I'm wondering what people feel are internals these days..
Crank, rods, pistons are roating assembly and are deffinately stock internals.. IMO a cam, heads are internals. Even 1.85 rockers IMO are borderline since they change valve train both in lift and duration.
I just see the cam and heads as such a simple change to someone that is technically inclined, that I consider them not part of the "internals."
But what REALLY makes me LOL is that someone voted for Block.
I wanted to support the direction the poll was already going 
The block isn't an internal?You have to open the engine to change a cam. It rides on bearings and requires a constant oil supply. It is tied to the crank with a chain, I think that's a big deal. . .
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In my opinion and from what I hear from other people at the tracks, there is Stock Block(long block) and Stock Internals.
Stock Block, allowed modifications:
Filter, Lid, Ram Air Kit, Ported MAF, Bellows, Throttle body, Intake, Electric Water Pump, Headers, Exhaust, Cut out, Pulley
Stock Internals, allowed modifications:
Filter, Lid, Ram Air Kit, Ported MAF, Bellows, Throttle body, Intake, Electric Water Pump, Headers, Exhaust, Cut out, Pulley, Cam, Lifters, Push Rods, Rockers, Valve Springs, Ported heads
FI is a whole different class for a car that did not come with it from factory.
FI Stock Block, allowed modifications:
Filter, Lid, Ram Air Kit, Ported MAF, Bellows, Throttle body, Intake, Electric Water Pump, Headers, Exhaust, Cut out, Pulley, Turbo, Nitrous, Super Charger
FI Stock Internals, allowed modifications:
Filter, Lid, Ram Air Kit, Ported MAF, Bellows, Throttle body, Intake, Electric Water Pump, Headers, Exhaust, Cut out, Pulley, Cam, Lifters, Push Rods, Rockers, Valve Springs, Ported heads, Turbo, Nitrous, Super Charger
Few examples:
#1 (stock block)
Larry: "Damn dude, what do you have done to that thing?"
Bob: "Just bolt-ons."
Larry: " No cam or heads?"
Bob: "Nah, still running on the stock block"
#2 (stock internals)
Frankie J: "I can't believe you are pushing that much power through the stock internals, you are going to blow that **** up."
Billy B: "Yea, then I will have an excuse to upgrade to forged internals."
Stock Block, allowed modifications:
Filter, Lid, Ram Air Kit, Ported MAF, Bellows, Throttle body, Intake, Electric Water Pump, Headers, Exhaust, Cut out, Pulley
Stock Internals, allowed modifications:
Filter, Lid, Ram Air Kit, Ported MAF, Bellows, Throttle body, Intake, Electric Water Pump, Headers, Exhaust, Cut out, Pulley, Cam, Lifters, Push Rods, Rockers, Valve Springs, Ported heads
FI is a whole different class for a car that did not come with it from factory.
FI Stock Block, allowed modifications:
Filter, Lid, Ram Air Kit, Ported MAF, Bellows, Throttle body, Intake, Electric Water Pump, Headers, Exhaust, Cut out, Pulley, Turbo, Nitrous, Super Charger
FI Stock Internals, allowed modifications:
Filter, Lid, Ram Air Kit, Ported MAF, Bellows, Throttle body, Intake, Electric Water Pump, Headers, Exhaust, Cut out, Pulley, Cam, Lifters, Push Rods, Rockers, Valve Springs, Ported heads, Turbo, Nitrous, Super Charger
Few examples:
#1 (stock block)
Larry: "Damn dude, what do you have done to that thing?"
Bob: "Just bolt-ons."
Larry: " No cam or heads?"
Bob: "Nah, still running on the stock block"
#2 (stock internals)
Frankie J: "I can't believe you are pushing that much power through the stock internals, you are going to blow that **** up."
Billy B: "Yea, then I will have an excuse to upgrade to forged internals."
Last edited by Keenov; Jul 4, 2008 at 05:02 AM.
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Stock Internals means exactly that...if it's inside the engine at all, its internal. If it's surrounded by metal and gets oil splashed on it, its internal. If you can't see the part when you open the hood without removing something, its internal...at least nothing major