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1 3/4" Headers vs 1 7/8" Headers ?!?!?

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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 12:47 PM
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I have searched and read numerous threads and still havent been able to come up with a answer... on a 98 z28 A4 with basic mods for now (Throttlebody, Lid, Exhaust, ls6 manifold) should i go 1 3/4" headers or 1 7/8" headers (what will make those most power in other words)? if so which brand to go with ? i got $500 to spend and ill be doing a MS4 cam or something like it here in about 8 or 9 months along with a set of heads. So im going for a very aggresive DD setup.
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 01:30 PM
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I voted 1 7/8 because you have room to grow and its not a disadvantage over 1 3/4...
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 01:59 PM
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1 3/4" will support 500 rwhp..
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 02:16 PM
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i would still think the 1 3/4 would be best.
i think the biger 1 7/8 is for big ci motors.
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 02:44 PM
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An MS4 is nothing close to what you need to warrant bigger primaries. Unless you're going stroker or FI/NO2, stick with the appropriate 1 3/4" headers. Putting larger diameter primaries on your car will just slow down exhaust velocity and create more drag on the exhaust cutting big power in the low/midrange RPM's.
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 03:02 PM
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We recently did a dyno comparison between some 1 3/4" Headers and our new 1 7/8". We found some great results supporting the 1 7/8 headers doing well. You should see basically the same pick up in power until about 4800 rpm where the 1 7/8 header starts to make more power. Here is the thread where we poste our results for that comparison.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ight=7/8+1+tsp
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 03:06 PM
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unless your gonna spray on that H/C/I go 1 3/4
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 03:37 PM
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Well just to throw in there what about edlebrocks 1 3/4" stepped to 1 7/8" headers ???
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 03:56 PM
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1 3/4 will work fine, unless you plan on more cubes later?

another option if you plan on h/c and/or n20 is the kooks 1 3/4 stepped to 1 7/8
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 04:14 PM
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I plan on staying stock cubes. Also i only have around $500 to spend...
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Originally Posted by Johnnystock
I voted 1 7/8 because you have room to grow and its not a disadvantage over 1 3/4...
This is 100% true. You lose nothing with the bigger tubes and gives you room to grow. Brand is more important - I prefer my ARHs, though I almost got the Kooks - both super quality, but you pay for it. There are cheaper headers out there that will do fine. Example of quality of ARH though - I was following to closely in traffic and had a big piece of curb go up under me and hit a primary directly at about 45MPH, piece of concrete as big as a cantaloupe. Only a tiny dent and that is it.

FYI - listen most to people who have some dyno feedback on both products
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Originally Posted by 98Z28importslayer
I plan on staying stock cubes. Also i only have around $500 to spend...
Ahh, then you're pretty much stuck with Pacesetters or Texas Speed, or used. Your decision is made for you, price-driven. Any long tubes will be a noticeable improvement, especially with a tune. No downside at all.
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jmilz28
Ahh, then you're pretty much stuck with Pacesetters or Texas Speed, or used. Your decision is made for you, price-driven. Any long tubes will be a noticeable improvement, especially with a tune. No downside at all.
Yeah im stuck between Pacesetters 1 3/4", Texas speeds 1 7/8", Eledbrocks 1 3/4" stepped to 1 7/8" or LLP's Stainless steel headers...
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Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
An MS4 is nothing close to what you need to warrant bigger primaries. Unless you're going stroker or FI/NO2, stick with the appropriate 1 3/4" headers. Putting larger diameter primaries on your car will just slow down exhaust velocity and create more drag on the exhaust cutting big power in the low/midrange RPM's.


He can't resist a header thread anymore than a crackhead can a rock At least he didn't QTPthis time He is the Patrick G of headers
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 09:47 PM
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Be free to post up any dyno results or other info. im going to be ordering this friday or saturday so i need to make up my mind soon
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SOMbitch
He can't resist a header thread anymore than a crackhead can a rock At least he didn't QTPthis time He is the Patrick G of headers
Forgive me for giving a factual answer to a person asking a question

Ugh
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We all understand 1 3/4 headers are "optimal" for a h/c/i/ 346 set up. There is way more important things to a combo in my opinion than if you run 1 3/4 or 1 7/8 headers. We are talking minimal differences. A cam on the other hand can make or break a car but picking between 1 3/4 or 1 7/8 is not going to. If you dont plan on going bigger buy 1 3/4 if you want room and have plans to grow buy 1 7/8. Thats just my .02
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Originally Posted by 98Z28importslayer
Yeah im stuck between Pacesetters 1 3/4", Texas speeds 1 7/8", Eledbrocks 1 3/4" stepped to 1 7/8" or LLP's Stainless steel headers...
I didn't realize they were that cheap - do the Texas Speed 1 7/8 iMO.
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+1 with that kind of budget your really limited on which headers are best but the TSP 1 7/8 wouldnt be a bad choice to look at

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Ahh, then you're pretty much stuck with Pacesetters or Texas Speed, or used. Your decision is made for you, price-driven. Any long tubes will be a noticeable improvement, especially with a tune. No downside at all.
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