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Old 02-25-2009, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by bobbyd
has anyon run a f13 with stock heads and no stall? say i wanted to get a cam springs and then later add a stall will i be ok or no?
i dont recommend any cam with the stock stall...no fun to drive as it is with the stock cam. stall should always come first, as it puts you right in the heart of the LS1's power range
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Originally Posted by odarabla
Not trying to start an argument but I disagree. I am not trying to say your friend doesn't know what he is talking about but I defiantly get other opinions before making my decision.
you wanna tell me how driving habits and frequency WON'T dictate the length of spring life?

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The F13
This is the cam I originally recommended for him, but look at his other mods. He is looking for strictly top end, so thats the only reason i left the F13 and told him to go bigger. True, the F13 would give him a broader power band, but with the 4000 stall, he doesnt have a lot of rpm to play with anyway. Besides, it will strictly be a track car as I understand
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Yeah, first and foremost I am looking for good track times, being streetable is definatly second on the list because I have another car I dd.
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Originally Posted by odarabla
So I guess you aren't interested in the deal I proposed?
Yeah, thanks for the offer but I'm gonna buy new while I have the money
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Originally Posted by Raise
you wanna tell me how driving habits and frequency WON'T dictate the length of spring life?
It will but not the way you think it will!! You will not have to change springs every few months more like every few years with that cam. That cam and the right valve springs should last a for a long while..
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Originally Posted by Raise
i dont recommend any cam with the stock stall...no fun to drive as it is with the stock cam. stall should always come first, as it puts you right in the heart of the LS1's power range
I do agree with this. The stock stall will also make the car tend to stall..
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Originally Posted by odarabla
It will but not the way you think it will!! You will not have to change springs every few months more like every few years with that cam. That cam and the right valve springs should last a for a long while..
bro, i'm not the one that said every few months. the original poster said that, and he was exaggerating what I told him. let's keep on topic here
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Originally Posted by gyrene2003
Yeah, thanks for the offer but I'm gonna buy new while I have the money
Thats cool but like I posted before. Look at the video in my sig. My car is 3600lb car with me in it and that pass was a N/A motor run. Here is a list of all my mods.. Plenty of people run plenty of different setups. It's all in what you think is the right thing to do. I gave Futral a track time I wated to run with the stock bottom end car and I hit that mark. There aren't many people that can say they hit 10's with there stock bottom end full weight LS1 based car without spray. Allan Futral did all of my engine work and then recommended what else I needed to do to hit my mark. You could also do like I did and contact Brian Tooley over at TEA to question about different heads. He was a huge help to me when I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do. ED Kurtis is someone else you can contact regarding your cam questions. I hope there is no hard feelings with your buddy but when I was building my car I only took advice from the best in the buisness and that led me to where I am today.. Hope this info helps..


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Originally Posted by Raise
bro, i'm not the one that said every few months. the original poster said that, and he was exaggerating what I told him. let's keep on topic here

Then I am sorry for the confusion.. Good times
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Originally Posted by odarabla
I hope there is no hard feelings with your buddy but when I was building my car I only took advice from the best in the buisness and that led me to where I am today
No hard feelings man. I myself recommended a few top dogs for him to speak with (Patrick G, Predator-Z & Alan Futral just to name a few) who have been around for a while and have plenty of experience with specs, building and testing. I realize my advice is subsequent to theirs, and he knows that. I'm no pro by a long stretch, but I have been around for quite a few builds and results, so I try to guide him in the best direction.
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Originally Posted by Raise
No hard feelings man. I myself recommended a few top dogs for him to speak with (Patrick G, Predator-Z & Alan Futral just to name a few) who have been around for a while and have plenty of experience with specs, building and testing. I realize my advice is subsequent to theirs, and he knows that. I'm no pro by a long stretch, but I have been around for quite a few builds and results, so I try to guide him in the best direction.
Thats cool man and would have to admitt that I would have done the same thing!! I am like you when it comes to building a motor, a novice. I do it for the fun of it. I've helped friends build there motors in the past but for some reason I let Allan build this one.. I am in the process of building a Iron 6.0l 408ci motor for my car and trust me I will be asking allot of questions along the way.. I've talked to Patrick G, he helped resolve an issue I was having with my car and helped get me into the 10's.
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Originally Posted by odarabla
Thats cool man and would have to admitt that I would have done the same thing!! I am like you when it comes to building a motor, a novice. I do it for the fun of it. I've helped friends build there motors in the past but for some reason I let Allan build this one.. I am in the process of building a Iron 6.0l 408ci motor for my car and trust me I will be asking allot of questions along the way.. I've talked to Patrick G, he helped resolve an issue I was having with my car and helped get me into the 10's.
Sounds like a nice motor youre putting in there What rearend are you running? As far as Patrick G, his knowledge amazes me. He spec'd out a cam for me a while ago when I was still kinda learning...I had no idea there was that much to it. I learned how every little difference in grind came in to play. He made me realize that it is indeed a science. Anyway, sorry Darren, I know we're hijacking your thread here
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F13, don't waste your time on any of that other crap. Put a good head on there too and you will never look back. Remember, bigger isn't always better

I flycut my pistons after I milled my heads down. Didn't HAVE to but I did not want to push it close, didn't really want a new bottom end quite yet
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Originally Posted by Raise
Sounds like a nice motor youre putting in there What rearend are you running? As far as Patrick G, his knowledge amazes me. He spec'd out a cam for me a while ago when I was still kinda learning...I had no idea there was that much to it. I learned how every little difference in grind came in to play. He made me realize that it is indeed a science. Anyway, sorry Darren, I know we're hijacking your thread here
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thanks guys i guess i will get a stall first then the cam hopefully this year or by next yr.

yank 3600 stall
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Originally Posted by bobbyd
thanks guys i guess i will get a stall first then the cam hopefully this year or by next yr.

yank 3600 stall
good move. always good to stall first, you would hate a cam with the stock stall. anyway, i has the yank ss3600 on my 02 red z and i loved it. you will not regret it. the yank converters tend to drive tighter than most, so your 3600 will probably feel as tight around town as most 3200 stalls.
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Originally Posted by gyrene2003
I have a tendancy to go bigger than what is recommended and i want a nasty street car, cause i dont drive it much. maybe twice a week. People told me to get a 3600 stall so i went 4000, they said do 3.73s so i went 3.90s,
Hmm... Maybe you should just get the LS6 cam
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