infinite_one

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ok im arguing with the dipshits on my lightning forums that are trying to tell me that ls engines are ****

i know that ive seen alot of stock bottom end monsters and im pretty sure ive seen a few with 600-800hp? am i right?

so whats the stock bottom ends gonna handle? anything from ls1-7? i just need to show these ******** there precious fords arnt the best damn things on earth

02_Orange_D1SC

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ive seen plenty of those 5.4 shitboxs blow up on youtube and the same with the 03 up cobras. id say the ls1 is good for around 500 to 600 on the stock lower end 600 is pushing it btw from what ive heard the stock rods give out before anything else one other thing the only reason those motors make any power is because there blown if they didnt put blowers on the 03 up cobras and the 99 up lightning they be a boat ancher lol

BlackScreaminMachine

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Crank can handle 1000hp+

Depending on what route you go, N/A, or FI, or N2o the relibaility changes

Stock hyper pistons are good to about 500-600 and again depends on the hit. Rods can take about as much. Also rob bolts are good to 6800 rpms.

When you start talking about LS7 blocks, they are all forged if I remember, Ti rods, can take alot of power.

A shitty tune can ruin any motor.

infinite_one

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im just getting really damn aggravated with these ford ********, there logic is "well if it isnt ford it doesnt exsist"

heres the thread if you all were wondering

http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum...ad.php?t=16733

just a bunch of ******** refusing to accept there blatant engine problems

KennethS

Trying to remember (don't have notes with me), LS7's can handle over 700 hp with confidence. According to some guy who spoke at the 2008 AETC 3-day conference on the LSx engines...lol

infinite_one

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yeah i know they can handle a bit, my buddys dad was a head of the ls project at gm since before they came out. just the whole "my buddies dad told me" thing doesnt fly too well for evidence lol

dre2013

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ls1's can easily hold over 600rwhp with a good tune

infinite_one

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i dunno hopefully they think outside of the box, i have no brand loyality, i love my lightning. but i also love my ls engines,

SOMbitch

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Honestly, this coming from a hardecore GM guy......I wouldn't feel safe at much over 500rwhp on a SBE LS1. It takes N02 or F/I to get to that level for most and the piston ringlands have proved to be a weak point. That's around 600bhp. The crank and rods are fine but the hyperteutic pistons are definitely the LS1 weak link. The powdered metal rods are pretty good for stock offerings though. That is why most people people never run more than 8psi on a SBE. IIRC the LS9 is the only SBE LSX with forged pistons .

HTX

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stock ls1 IS **** compared to other engines out there when high hp is concerned. They are good to about 500 rwhp before major problems occur. That is why most people go for iron blocks (FI and big spray).

The LS2,3,and 7 dominate the N/A world though. Ford has yet to mass produce a NA engine to compare. hell FORDs use FI just to keep up. lol

TooLateVTEC

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Tell them to come over here and.....chat.

HTX

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just read that thread.

You compare the L engine to a GT engine and then to an LS9.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Of course a GT engine and LS9 engine can handle more than a stock L engine.

The 5.4L engines in the lighnings are what? 8 grand if that? (not including SC)

The LS9 is a Forged version of the LS7 wich is about 20 grand in stock form.

you are comparing two completely different levels of engines.

infinite_one

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8 grand if its built with the best **** possible, including gold, a long block is probably 5500 average and the best blower is 4000

the problem is though, that the lightning engine is the same **** as the ford gt, its a 5.4 block thats identical in both apps. the difference is whats inside, similar crank and pistons (if not the same) and different heads and rods, The heads are the reason the GT engines are so valuable they are GT specific even different than the GT500 slightly. sohc 2v is stupid as hell IMO so they had to change it to keep up. and they obviously have good reason to change the pistons. so getting back to my original point. Lightning and HD owners were gypped its not like the technology and extra 36 cents a rod wasnt there and wasnt worth it. Alot of people have blown these engines without mods by going WOT on the freeway and it engaging into O/D granted a WOT run with overdrive isnt the best idea, but fawkin come on now the stock form should be able to handle that. That kind of issues on top of the spark plugs blowing out for no reason at all other than they get loose is also damn ridiculous and are the reasons why many people after researching lightnings wont buy or work on them.

Im the oddball though i love the challenge. and theres something about beating a vette in my truck i cant get over, plus theres always the blower whine if none of that makes me happy anymore.