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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 02:55 PM
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As most of you know my 382 Stroker broke a timing chain last week. We got the heads off today and got them to my head porter. Outta 16 valves all but 4 were bent. Im gonna have some cool paper weights for my desk.

My engine builder did the math and we found out the compression is right at 12.78 to 1 mighty high for pump gas and texas heat. I need to lower the compression. We are looking at some Cometic gaskets with a .60 crush size. Which should bring the comp ratio to 12.2 to 1. Is this streetable?
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 03:00 PM
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Dude I still think thats dangerour with pump gas. I would suggest 11.5 max.
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 03:05 PM
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I wouldn't go much over 11.0:1 with the southern heat and 93 pump gas.
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 03:06 PM
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ya 11:1 would be optimal man
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 03:08 PM
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Yea I would say MAX 11.5:1 or lower for pump gas, and thats pushing it....
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 03:09 PM
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Im not going to get that number unless i buy another set of heads. I mean even with the 12.78 compression i only had knock at WOT. What if I just reduce timing or should i just bite the bullet and have another set of heads done?
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 03:15 PM
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this might be off the topic, but why dont you just buy some better gas? or even octane booster or something
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 04:06 PM
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this might be off the topic, but why dont you just buy some better gas? or even octane booster or something
Yeah I've read of guys who keep bottles of that octane booster around, and toss a bottle in with every tank, that way they can still keep thier timing up. Not sure how much that stuff is per bottle though, and if it's a daily driver it might get a little expensive.

However, if it's a weekend fun car, that might be a good solution. With the 93 octane in Texas, it shouldn't take much in our little 16 gallon tanks to get the octane rating up enough.
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 04:12 PM
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I run 11.25:1 on pump gas, 93 Octane
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 05:04 PM
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I think you're in a rough spot.. even if the 12.2 would work, with the .060 gasket, you're really openeing up the quench height. At tdc, does your piston sit flush with deck surface, or is it out of the hole? If your quench height(distance from piston face to head face) is greater than about .05-.055, your engine will become LESS able to tolerate the same compression ratio than one with a tighter quench like .04-.045. Good luck
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 05:10 PM
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11.3:1 here, iron block, no problems.

what heads/pistons/milling did you use to get 12.7ish:1 ?
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 05:14 PM
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I would run up to 12:1 with 25 degrees of timing around Chicago on 93 pump gas. I'd take precautions in the hottest months, ie. splash in a little 100 octane on race days.
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 05:15 PM
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Is it possible to shave a little off your pistons??? Might be able to dish them a couple cc or cut valve reliefs if you don't already have them.
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 05:23 PM
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why mess with the pistons? a simple head change, or some port work to open up the chamber size would be ideal here. there's no sense in fooling with the integrity of your bottom end.
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 05:29 PM
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I run a 12.2:1 CR on Ca 91 pump gas....tuning is a great thing I have no knock at WOT, I'm running approximatley 17* of timing right now. I basically have my street tune, then a race tune for 25* of timing and 103 octane.
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 10:13 PM
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The block was decked .20 and the heads were already milled .30 when i had my porter clean them up and add bigger valves and he did mill them a tad. That plus the Lunati pistons = too much freekin compression!
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 10:35 PM
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hey, that might actually be good news.. are you running the ls-11 lunati pistons(flat top with falve reliefs), 6.125" rods, and 4" crank? do you have ls1 heads or ls6 heads? have they been cc'd? if so, what is the volume of the heads?

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Old Oct 28, 2003 | 07:12 AM
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FDLS6 is correct. If you have proper quench height at 12.78:1 and then add a thick gasket (increase quench height) to reduce your compression ratio, you will very likely end up with more detonation.
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Old Oct 28, 2003 | 08:04 AM
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11:1 will be plenty. Anything over 12:1 wouldn't be a good idea, and anything in the middle really wouldn't even be worth the hassle since it's not even a full point increase. 11.0:1 is about perfect for a street car and 93 pump gas.
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Old Oct 28, 2003 | 08:18 AM
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Stock LS1 heads are have 70cc combustion chambers correct? Mine are all the way down to 63 cc's.
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