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Old May 21, 2009 | 11:58 AM
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I bought a long block and what to know what can i get away with re using from my bone stock 01 ss.I want to keep the car dd reliable and no/ minimal surging.I wanted to sell the car before the stock engine blew and want to only buy the critical supporting mods, headers,tune ect. engine is a 99 ls1 with 11:1 compression ,Texas speed Magic stick 4 camshaft(239-242 .649 .609 111 LSA),c6 Z06 lifters,PRC Dual springs good for .660 Lift ,LS6 oil pump, Ported and shimmed for Higher pressure 243 z06 casting heads Milled to 59cc
Pistons flycut .080 machine shop, ARP rod bolts. so with that said what bolt ons do i need.
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clutch to handle the power..or a 3600-4000rpm stall for an auto, with a big trans cooler

probably a new rear end pretty soon


sounds like the engine has all the major things needed already.

headers and good exhaust are about it. does it come with injectors? your stockers most likely won't hold up to the demand.

get poly motor mounts while you have it out.
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Old May 21, 2009 | 01:21 PM
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cars an auto but I dont want to really want to spend alot of money, I will get headers, recommend any? I already have the ls6 intake, what size injectors would I need.
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definitely gonna need a stall for that cam in an auto...ill let some auto guys chime in...

if you want budget headers, get some coated pacesetter lts and ORY. probably want to run 42lb injectors just so you dont max out your fuel.
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Old May 21, 2009 | 01:33 PM
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stall and someone who knows WTF they are doing tune wise to make it enjoyable
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Old May 21, 2009 | 01:51 PM
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Stalls are really expensive, I dont plan on racing it to much because I dont think the stock trans will even hold up, its already at 107k. I also guess I wont be running 87 octane any more. the plan is to sell the car as one with alot of potential with a just a couple more upgrades for the new owner,thats if i dont change my mind when I hear it running.
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good luck running that cam with a stock stall...
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Old May 21, 2009 | 02:03 PM
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Stalls are really expensive, I dont plan on racing it to much because I dont think the stock trans will even hold up, its already at 107k. I also guess I wont be running 87 octane any more. the plan is to sell the car as one with alot of potential with a just a couple more upgrades for the new owner,thats if i dont change my mind when I hear it running.
If you want to keep the stock stall you'd probably want to swap to a much smaller cam and sell the magic stick. A stall with an appropriate stall speed will help with daily driving as much racing. In my LT1 with a 228/550ish cam and stock stall I had to keep my foot planted on the brake when I was at a stop because the cam wanted to idle higher than stock stall would allow. Stock stall + MS4 makes for a very crappy car to drive.
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that is very true... you have to get a stall with that cam...like said before atleast a 3600
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Old May 21, 2009 | 02:30 PM
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even a 228r cam would be a lil to much for a stock stall, but its manageable at least.. go with like a 224ish, alot of people run those on stock stalls with no problems
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ok u guys win I'll get a stall and get a built tranny.
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ok u guys win I'll get a stall and get a built tranny.
good call.
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Old May 21, 2009 | 08:31 PM
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What stall would be ideal and whats the lowest stall I can get away with running so i can compare the prices and pick one. again I probably wont drag race it much since its a vert and dont plan on a cage. Also are gears gonna be a must as well?
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gears will depend on what's in it now.

373s would be great.
you can probably get away with stock 3.23s
but the shitty 2.73s some autos came with would be a dog with that cam.
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How about some rod bolts and Morel lifters for the rpms that cam needs to make power.
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3600 or bigger for the stall. just buy a 10bolt and rebuild it with top of the line components. unless u wanna spend $1500 or more on a 12 bolt
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