ARE 436 stroker, if anyone is interested what was wrong with it......................
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Originally Posted by Chris ARE 360
You'll NEVER get a 436 on a 300 shot to hook on DR's with the suspension setup you have now. You will kill yourself. (I am NOT kidding)
You'll probably run 140+mph in the 1/4 on a 150 shot with that motor. That itself will be tough as hell to control on a DR with stock style torque arm suspension setup.
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Originally Posted by Ragtop 99
Will BFG drag radials hold a 300 shot even from a roll?
I'm sure a full hit of a 300 shot would light the tires.
With a rebuilt 436 making the power it is capable of, you'll be able to break your tires loose at pretty high speeds just with NA power.
(You might look at the heads while it is down as porting techniques have improved over the past year too 
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BTW they chose not to advertise here anymore. Probably because their is a **** load of morons on this board.
Let's perhaps just focus on Lyle's motor and let's avoid the bandwagon phenomenon.
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Originally Posted by Damian
Don't bet on it. If you gave that motor to ARE, you would probably never see it again 
I would snap
Im sorry to hear of your issues, Lyle...
The time I decided to stop sending my stuff back to ARE to be "fixed" and took it somewhere else, as costly as that might have been, was when my car started becoming fun again.
I gave MTI my heads to clean up and Im sure you've seen the comparitive flow charts. If not, I can always post them again.
I think that if you trust Norris, you are right to have them take care of it. Im sorry you had to go through all this just like alot of us others did.
I also feel sorry for those that still think that ARE was getting a bad name from baseless internet rumors and crap. You are going to go through alot more pain if you keep thinking that
unless of course you can continuously drop your car back on their doorstep and say "fix it, I'll be back each day here to check on your progress."
chris
The time I decided to stop sending my stuff back to ARE to be "fixed" and took it somewhere else, as costly as that might have been, was when my car started becoming fun again.
I gave MTI my heads to clean up and Im sure you've seen the comparitive flow charts. If not, I can always post them again.
I think that if you trust Norris, you are right to have them take care of it. Im sorry you had to go through all this just like alot of us others did.
I also feel sorry for those that still think that ARE was getting a bad name from baseless internet rumors and crap. You are going to go through alot more pain if you keep thinking that
unless of course you can continuously drop your car back on their doorstep and say "fix it, I'll be back each day here to check on your progress."chris
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Originally Posted by Visceral
I gave MTI my heads to clean up and Im sure you've seen the comparitive flow charts. If not, I can always post them again.
What kind of heads were them from ARE?
Thanks.
If the motor is coming apart sounds like a good time for updating the ARE heads. What castings are on the motor?
Someone got ~20rwhp gain when another sponsor fixed valve job on a set or at least that was what was posted.
Someone got ~20rwhp gain when another sponsor fixed valve job on a set or at least that was what was posted.
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Originally Posted by 99 Black Bird T/A
If the motor is coming apart sounds like a good time for updating the ARE heads. What castings are on the motor?
Someone got ~20rwhp gain when another sponsor fixed valve job on a set or at least that was what was posted.
Someone got ~20rwhp gain when another sponsor fixed valve job on a set or at least that was what was posted.
They will be flow checked and reported if need be.
325-330 cfm is what I'm looking for, right????
Originally Posted by Quickin
I'm curious how MTI improved your flow numbers, can you post'em for me?
What kind of heads were them from ARE?
Thanks.
What kind of heads were them from ARE?
Thanks.
Thats a pretty minor cleanup of the heads. I didnt want them to put too much effort into them. If they had needed serious work, I would have just bought new heads.
We could never get the car over 405 rwhp with the ARE setup and a MTI C1 cam. Now you see why.
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Quickin I have an ARE 436 also. I got mine pretty close to when you got yours. My Vette doesn't get driven much. Maybe a couple of Saturday's a month except for this past week, since one of my other vehicles hit a deer. The oil consumption seems bad. The check oil level indicator comes on repeatedly since I got the motor but since I drive it infrequently it hasn't been so apparent.
To be fair to all I've refilled the motor and reset the odometer and have scheduled a leakdown test next week. I will continue to drive it and report my findings to this forum and to Wade.
BTW I know strokers and h/c motors generally burn more oil than stock, but how much is too much?
To be fair to all I've refilled the motor and reset the odometer and have scheduled a leakdown test next week. I will continue to drive it and report my findings to this forum and to Wade.
BTW I know strokers and h/c motors generally burn more oil than stock, but how much is too much?
Originally Posted by Quickin
I have ported LS6 heads.
They will be flow checked and reported if need be.
325-330 cfm is what I'm looking for, right????
They will be flow checked and reported if need be.
325-330 cfm is what I'm looking for, right????
Check out this MTI flow chart for LS6 big bore
http://www.motorsporttech.com/c5_engine01.asp
.300 ~225 cfm
.400 ~255 cfm
.500 ~300 cfm
The key to getting the killer mid-lift numbers is the valve job. The port work is important but the valve job puts the flow at the desired lift etc.
I would also have the heads checked to make sure they flow about the same cfm at each port...ie flow balanced. Some Fubar stuff has had variances of as much as 30 cfm between cylinders.
As for the flow chart of the ARE vs MTI...
ARE needs to get another sponsor like Patriot, TEA, GTP, LPE, MTI, RGR, Cartek etc with a clue to do their heads for them IMO. 
Originally Posted by Ragtop 99
Will BFG drag radials hold a 300 shot even from a roll?
With a rebuilt 436 making the power it is capable of, you'll be able to break your tires loose at pretty high speeds just with NA power. (You might look at the heads while it is down as porting techniques have improved over the past year too )
With a rebuilt 436 making the power it is capable of, you'll be able to break your tires loose at pretty high speeds just with NA power. (You might look at the heads while it is down as porting techniques have improved over the past year too
)that's what I'm thinking. My nitto's can hold my measly 473 rwhp.
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Quickin I have an ARE 436 also. I got mine pretty close to when you got yours. My Vette doesn't get driven much. Maybe a couple of Saturday's a month except for this past week, since one of my other vehicles hit a deer. The oil consumption seems bad. The check oil level indicator comes on repeatedly since I got the motor but since I drive it infrequently it hasn't been so apparent.
To be fair to all I've refilled the motor and reset the odometer and have scheduled a leakdown test next week. I will continue to drive it and report my findings to this forum and to Wade.
BTW I know strokers and h/c motors generally burn more oil than stock, but how much is too much?
To be fair to all I've refilled the motor and reset the odometer and have scheduled a leakdown test next week. I will continue to drive it and report my findings to this forum and to Wade.
BTW I know strokers and h/c motors generally burn more oil than stock, but how much is too much?
My LPE 383 LS6 burns no oil.
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Mine burns 1.5-2.0 qrts every 300 miles. My bumper tuns black in 2 days of driving, I leave the most rediculous trail of swirling blue-ish/white smoke when I hit the gas and my intake and PCV hose are spottless from oil.
All of my oil loss is due to my rings. I know someone else with an ARE 436 and they don't burn any mesurable amount of oil between oil changes, they dynoed 497 RWHP/503 RWTQ (M6), so I know its possible to have a good one.
All of my oil loss is due to my rings. I know someone else with an ARE 436 and they don't burn any mesurable amount of oil between oil changes, they dynoed 497 RWHP/503 RWTQ (M6), so I know its possible to have a good one.
My ARE 422ci iron block did 475rwhp/505rwtq and did not use oil, and the rings were fine when inspected. If I did a lot of spirited driving or was at the track, I would use 1/2 or more of a quart just do the pcv system sucking it out. I typically ran my 422ci 1/2 qt over. Bores and rings were very good.
