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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 09:13 AM
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I think he was referring to the lift on the cam and how it is pointless to have a cam with that much lift and heads that won't even come close to flowing what the cam would like to have. I see his point though, bottlenecking flow in the heads sure isn't going to help anything. Yea man you really need an ls6 intake at the least.
Even stock heads keep increasing flow up untill ~.600 lift... so its definitely not pointless to have a .600 lift cam in a stock car.

I think the OP should leave the cam he has.

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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 09:23 AM
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The cam isn't to big, it's either in the tune, or in the install. How many miles are on this motor? It may be just a lil worn out.

For anyone saying the cam is to big, go have a look at the cam only fastest list .
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 09:26 AM
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Did they have the converter locked during the pull?
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 01:18 PM
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Thats my question, I wouldn't have a hard time believing those numbers at all with an unlocked 4000 stall. Rollers aren't always accurate.
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by z28mccrory
Even stock heads keep increasing flow up untill ~.600 lift... so its definitely not pointless to have a .600 lift cam in a stock car.
I am not saying his heads won't flow at .600. They just won't flow well.
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 02:26 PM
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Guys Im not completely sure if the converter was locked on the pulls but I will find out as I need to go there next week to get a few things worked out.

Work on the car is done for the rest of the year unfortunatly as 1. NO money...you all understand that one! an 2. I go back to school in AZ in a week so modding the car will go on the backburner till I find a job out there.

Next summer the car is getting a complete look over as well as me an the guys who do the work on the car have decided we're pulling this cam for a LG G5x4 cam and throwing a 200 shot at it. The car will also most likely go to speed inc. to see if their tuning is better since I have a friend there and at some point like stated above the car will see PRC 5.3 heads. Were thinking cam only with the 200 we should see low 11's to high 10's....which will def satisfy me after this summers dissapoinments
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by transaman98
I am not saying his heads won't flow at .600. They just won't flow well.
They flow better at .600 than they do at .500-.550... maybe not "well" in comparison with ported or aftermarket castings, but still better than they do at lower lifts.
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 02:46 PM
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your dyno numbers way off, i bet tune and stall arent correct. my friends 2002 z28 A4 made 347 full exhaust/tune thats it.
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Old Aug 16, 2009 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by tribaltalon
personally i think that cam is way too big for a stock ls1 motor..


Originally Posted by C5natie
400rwhp is difficult with a cam only and usualy takes a bigger cam thats a dog on the bottom end. Sorry buddy, wanna play, gotta play. Look into some TFS or AFR heads.
Not true at all, it can definitely be done with cams that still have low end. That's exactly why I picked my cam, because it can make big power up top and still make good power below 4k.

To the OP, I hate to see you give up on a cam so quick, but I can understand. Definitely put an ls6 intake on top of your list. It's more than worth the money with your mods.
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 2001SS_stompinsupras
your dyno numbers way off, i bet tune and stall arent correct. my friends 2002 z28 A4 made 347 full exhaust/tune thats it.

But with a 4k unlocked stall it would have probably been closer to 250-275ish.
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 05:46 PM
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definately needs the ls6 intake for sure. i just had my car tuned and my numbers and mods are in my sig. i havent had it at the track yet but im anxious to see what kind of times it puts down with my setup.
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 06:01 PM
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you said 350 on a mustang dyno right ?

dont they dyno about 12-15% less then a dyno jet?



so on a dyno jet you would put down around ~390 which isnt bad.


alot of guys just spiting out thier numbers in this thread but every dyno is diffrent, hell even some dynojets out there are stingy...
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mvvette97
Did they have the converter locked during the pull?
You cant lock the converter on a wide open pull unless its A. designed for that B. you are willing to tear the clutch up and spit the **** all through your transmission. yall keep asking him questions about the converter and whether the cam was degreed and **** like that and he dont know. If he dont know what a cam being off a tooth means then maybe he should turn the whole thing over to a professional and let them figure it out.
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 11:12 AM
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Those are not horrible numbers for a cam only a4 on a mustang dyno! If you put 354whp down on a mustang dyno, thats more like 375-380whp on a dynojet. Seems par to me IDK....

*Fwiw a t-rex cam only 04 gto, m6, only put down 352 on epp's mustang dyno a while back.
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
You cant lock the converter on a wide open pull unless its A. designed for that B. you are willing to tear the clutch up and spit the **** all through your transmission. .

Really?

If I'm spending the money on dyno time you can damn sure bet mines gonna be locked! Not on at the track but on rollers looking for horsepower #'s you better believe it!

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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
You cant lock the converter on a wide open pull unless its A. designed for that B. you are willing to tear the clutch up and spit the **** all through your transmission. yall keep asking him questions about the converter and whether the cam was degreed and **** like that and he dont know. If he dont know what a cam being off a tooth means then maybe he should turn the whole thing over to a professional and let them figure it out.
He did take it to a professional for the install.

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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 06:16 PM
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MS3 112lsa only here......stock heads

412rwhp, 381rwtq.
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MPFD
Really?

If I'm spending the money on dyno time you can damn sure bet mines gonna be locked! Not on at the track but on rollers looking for horsepower #'s you better believe it!


If you don't lock the converter when running it why put it on the dyno locked? Just for a number that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Your truck goes down the track with the converter unlocked. Dynos are tuning tools, not bragging tools. Therefore you should dyno with the converter unlocked for tuning purposes.

And 355rwhp on a Mustang dyno with that converter unlocked and the LS1 intake is right around where it should be. 108 traps are terrible, and the 111 traps are a little better, but still not quite what they should be. Put an LS6 intake on it and wait until some cooler fall weather and if the traps don't improve to 114-116 or so, then start looking for problems.
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Old Aug 19, 2009 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28


If you don't lock the converter when running it why put it on the dyno locked? Just for a number that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Your truck goes down the track with the converter unlocked. Dynos are tuning tools, not bragging tools. Therefore you should dyno with the converter unlocked for tuning purposes.
Well He is obviously looking for a "Warm and Fuzzy" number if he is ready to totally re-do his valve train combo to get higher HP numbers.
I agree that he is about on par. But everyone one this site is only worried about peak HP numbers and that what people continue to write threads
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