ms3 combo????
ms3 combo???? i wanted to see what you guys think of my setup i got a high comp 408 (11-1) i got a set of patriots stage 3 heads , im also using the ms3 cam on a 114, but im also using a radix supercharger. the supercharger shouldnt make more then 5-6 lbs of boost ,meth just in case , this is in my silverado ss with a 4l60e and a 3200 stall, 90mm t body,1/3/4 long tubes, nos wet shot up to 100 my goals are to run low 12 and have more top end power and still keep the the explosive bottom end, i just want to see your thoughts on this and see if there can be improvement in my build thanks for your info
I am running that exact cam with PRC 2.5 5.3s with a ported FAST92. ARH 1 7/8 LTs also, and power is in my sig (99 TA--11.5-1cr). Although it is N/A, I would probably change the cam up to make it fit your needs. Although it does make power absolutely everywhere from the time I let the clutch out. I would also swap up to 1 7/8 LT too, it is going to need the breathing room
That is a badass setup to go with though bro.
That is a badass setup to go with though bro. That is at the rear wheels tuned on a dynojet, never engine-dynoed it. It has a stockish style torqueband and is alive at 2000rpm, easily. That is also through a S60 with 4.10s also. I am still waiting on my tuner/shortblock builder to email my results, so i don't have a dyno sheet for it right now. Torque/HP crossover was at 5300-5500 and peeked at 6700-6800 from what I recall. I think it cracked 400wtq at 3000rpm also. Adding a blower to the combo, I don't know though. It is definitely going to effect the overall #'s though.
I love the MS3 cam and it is my favorite cam of all time. BUT, I would have a cstom grind camshaft if I was you and contact Comp Cams or Texas Speed etc for a perfect affective to your setup camshaft.
MS3 is sick though
MS3 is sick though
I would have to agree with that. The MS3 is a really good N/A with Nitrous cam, but was never really intended for FI. Although it can, there are alot bunch more grinds that would do better if you are looking for an off the shelf cam. Custom truthfully would be the way to go if your keeping that blower.
with this build i didnt want to rely on boost to make power its a roots style blower so its power is in the lower r's just out of the hole , thats were the cam comes in to do its magic mid and topend am i lookin at it wrong? i had lg tell me to use the g5x3 because i wasnt dependent on boost i had one speced by thunder if i recall it was 236 248 600 116 , with my 6.0 with the radix i was speced a 224 228 600 114 which was used in a 408 instead it made alot of torque but it fall off in the top end
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You won't have to worry about lowend as much with a 240ish cam in a 408. In comparision it is like putting a 228-230ish cam in a stock 346 block, just that it makes a ton more power. 250ish cams are where your going to start running into mid/topend power only in a 408 which is why I personally stayed away from that. Just remember that TSP spec'd the MS3 originally for a max effort stock LS1 block years ago. Adding this many variations such as a blower (even though it is only 5-6 psi) with nitrous in a 408 might want you to just get a custom cam. Unless you already have a MS3 on a 114 and want to give it a try to see what it does. Either way I would be curious to see what it would do.
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Verdad Gallardo yea i already have everything i had good results with the blower 60' 1.7 1/8 8.0 will see what happens this in extra cab truck the funny part is being able to take out sti and evos out from a dig
No doubt bro, I want to do something like that to my TBSS. One vehicle at a time though. I am curious to see what it will make, not to many people have FI on the MS cams. They are out there but far and few between.
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Too much overlap for that little amount of boost. When using cams with that much overlap you need to compansate by adding more boost to make up for the bleeding.
what I would recommend is 230/230 .592/.592 115+2 LSA
what I would recommend is 230/230 .592/.592 115+2 LSA
[QUOTE=PREDATOR-Z;12178195]Too much overlap for that little amount of boost. When using cams with that much overlap you need to compansate by adding more boost to make up for the bleeding.
you are right about the over lap i can go to a smaller pullie on the sc
the cam you recommend is 230/230 .592/.592 115+2 0 overlap right on the money
224 228 114-2
237 242 114+11.5
207 220 118-22.5
232 240 115+6
just threw a few others in there thanks for the helpful info guys keep it commin
you are right about the over lap i can go to a smaller pullie on the sc
the cam you recommend is 230/230 .592/.592 115+2 0 overlap right on the money
224 228 114-2
237 242 114+11.5
207 220 118-22.5
232 240 115+6
just threw a few others in there thanks for the helpful info guys keep it commin
CAMSHAFT SPECS
BLOWER SPECIFIC
Manufacturer Comp Cams
PN 54-000-11
Custom grind profile LS13729R/3733R
Type Hydraulic roller
Valve lift 0.605/0.613-inch
intake/exhaust
Duration at 0.050 238°/246°
intake/exhaust
Lobe separation 114°
Advance 29 degrees
Max torque 581 @ 5,100 RPM
Max power 676 @ 6,800 RPM
Average torque 560
Average power 586
Average Boost: 7.8
RPM LB-FT HP BOOST
3,800 566 410 7.8
3,900 563 418 7.8
4,000 562 428 7.7
4,100 564 441 7.7
4,200 567 453 7.7
4,300 569 466 7.7
4,400 572 789 7.7
4,500 574 492 7.7
4,600 577 505 7.7
4,700 579 518 7.6
4,800 579 530 7.6
4,900 580 541 7.5
5,000 580 552 7.5
5,100 581 564 7.5
5,200 581 575 7.5
5,300 579 585 7.6
5,400 578 594 7.6
5,500 576 603 7.6
5,600 573 611 7.6
5,700 570 619 7.6
5,800 568 627 7.7
5,900 566 636 7.7
6,000 564 644 7.8
6,100 561 651 7.8
6,200 557 657 7.9
6,300 551 661 7.9
6,400 546 665 7.9
6,500 540 668 7.9
6,600 535 672 7.8
6,700 529 675 7.8
6,800 522 676 7.8
6,900 514 675 7.8
7,000 505 673 7.8
7,100 495 669 7.8
BLOWER SPECIFIC
Manufacturer Comp Cams
PN 54-000-11
Custom grind profile LS13729R/3733R
Type Hydraulic roller
Valve lift 0.605/0.613-inch
intake/exhaust
Duration at 0.050 238°/246°
intake/exhaust
Lobe separation 114°
Advance 29 degrees
Max torque 581 @ 5,100 RPM
Max power 676 @ 6,800 RPM
Average torque 560
Average power 586
Average Boost: 7.8
RPM LB-FT HP BOOST
3,800 566 410 7.8
3,900 563 418 7.8
4,000 562 428 7.7
4,100 564 441 7.7
4,200 567 453 7.7
4,300 569 466 7.7
4,400 572 789 7.7
4,500 574 492 7.7
4,600 577 505 7.7
4,700 579 518 7.6
4,800 579 530 7.6
4,900 580 541 7.5
5,000 580 552 7.5
5,100 581 564 7.5
5,200 581 575 7.5
5,300 579 585 7.6
5,400 578 594 7.6
5,500 576 603 7.6
5,600 573 611 7.6
5,700 570 619 7.6
5,800 568 627 7.7
5,900 566 636 7.7
6,000 564 644 7.8
6,100 561 651 7.8
6,200 557 657 7.9
6,300 551 661 7.9
6,400 546 665 7.9
6,500 540 668 7.9
6,600 535 672 7.8
6,700 529 675 7.8
6,800 522 676 7.8
6,900 514 675 7.8
7,000 505 673 7.8
7,100 495 669 7.8
