cheap heads??
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27 arp crank bolt
120 heads
228 arp bolts/headgaskets/ls2 chain
225 pushrods/valvesprings
$960 total. I'm pretty sure that's everything. You could save about $125 by using stock GM headbolts, or depending on your year model car put the money towards an oil pump. My car is a low mileage 2002, so that's why I'm reusing the stock one.
And like I said earlier, TSP had some $300 cams, so save another $60.
But, even if you found some ~$400 heads, used GM headbolts and crank bolt, and got a $300 TSP cam, it would still come in right about $1000.
I've seen good used cams from sellers on here going for ~$200!
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I don't know if your car is an automatic or not? If automatic, spend the money on a new torque converter and worry about motor mods later.
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Yes, GM crank bolts are TTY and only about $5. An ARP crank bolt is $26.
ARP bolts are stronger and reusable, but GM bolts are fine on a head/cam swap if you want to save money.
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$28 GM MLS .051" thick head gaskets from scoggin dicky
$30 for a set of a GM head bolts from patriot performance
$6 GM crank bolt Scoggin or whoever
$300-500 for 243, 799 heads
$300-400 cam
$150 PAC 1518 springs from scoggin
Now get all the other misc stuff, comp locators, locks, retainers, valve seals.
Suggested cam size for good daily driver setup: 224ish cam on xfi lobes 110-112 LSA. 400-415rwhp
Street / strip weekend warrior: 230ish cam 111 LSA. 415-430rwhp
Race only, high stall, gears supporting mods: 236ish + on xer, xfi, lsl lobes 110-112 LSA streetsweeper (good grind), thunder raptor cam or custom. 420-450rwhp
$30 for a set of a GM head bolts from patriot performance
$6 GM crank bolt Scoggin or whoever
$300-500 for 243, 799 heads
$300-400 cam
$150 PAC 1518 springs from scoggin
Now get all the other misc stuff, comp locators, locks, retainers, valve seals.
Suggested cam size for good daily driver setup: 224ish cam on xfi lobes 110-112 LSA. 400-415rwhp
Street / strip weekend warrior: 230ish cam 111 LSA. 415-430rwhp
Race only, high stall, gears supporting mods: 236ish + on xer, xfi, lsl lobes 110-112 LSA streetsweeper (good grind), thunder raptor cam or custom. 420-450rwhp
$28 GM MLS .051" thick head gaskets from scoggin dicky
$30 for a set of a GM head bolts from patriot performance
$6 GM crank bolt Scoggin or whoever
$300-500 for 243, 799 heads
$300-400 cam
$150 PAC 1518 springs from scoggin
Now get all the other misc stuff, comp locators, locks, retainers, valve seals.
Suggested cam size for good daily driver setup: 224ish cam on xfi lobes 110-112 LSA. 400-415rwhp
Street / strip weekend warrior: 230ish cam 111 LSA. 415-430rwhp
Race only, high stall, gears supporting mods: 236ish + on xer, xfi, lsl lobes 110-112 LSA streetsweeper (good grind), thunder raptor cam or custom. 420-450rwhp
$30 for a set of a GM head bolts from patriot performance
$6 GM crank bolt Scoggin or whoever
$300-500 for 243, 799 heads
$300-400 cam
$150 PAC 1518 springs from scoggin
Now get all the other misc stuff, comp locators, locks, retainers, valve seals.
Suggested cam size for good daily driver setup: 224ish cam on xfi lobes 110-112 LSA. 400-415rwhp
Street / strip weekend warrior: 230ish cam 111 LSA. 415-430rwhp
Race only, high stall, gears supporting mods: 236ish + on xer, xfi, lsl lobes 110-112 LSA streetsweeper (good grind), thunder raptor cam or custom. 420-450rwhp
man i paid a good bit more for my 1518's than that
So did I lol!! Also forgot to mention if you go with 243/799 bring them to a machine shop and have them mill .015"-.020" this will put you at 62cc chambers. 62cc + GM MLS + stock pistons = 10.98:1 compression. This cost me $50 to have the heads milled and $28 for gaskets, cheaper than a set of .040" cometics.
So did I lol!! Also forgot to mention if you go with 243/799 bring them to a machine shop and have them mill .015"-.020" this will put you at 62cc chambers. 62cc + GM MLS + stock pistons = 10.98:1 compression. This cost me $50 to have the heads milled and $28 for gaskets, cheaper than a set of .040" cometics.
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So did I lol!! Also forgot to mention if you go with 243/799 bring them to a machine shop and have them mill .015"-.020" this will put you at 62cc chambers. 62cc + GM MLS + stock pistons = 10.98:1 compression. This cost me $50 to have the heads milled and $28 for gaskets, cheaper than a set of .040" cometics.
Intake was around 7.325" for 0 preload and exhaust was like 7.315" or so not sure I would have to check my numbers. I also am using LS7 lifters and my valve job sunk the valves down a little into the head, always measure to make sure. I wanted 7.35" but I wanted the engine together that weekend and all I found were some 7.4"s. It will be different depending upon your cam. My cam doesn't use LSx lobe profiles so its not apples to apples. A proper valve job is very imporant on stock gm heads, the stock valve job is ****. Mine didn't seal worth a crap and was not concentric at all. I performed my own 5 angle valve job... very very time consuming but I think it was worth it. Oh ya and I don't run 5/16" push rods, my setup will spin to 7grand no problem.
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so what is the difference between 241 and 853 heads? bc someone told me they are they same other then different casting process like one is cast in sand and thye other in somthing else?????
