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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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I have the g5x3 cam 234/242 610/615" 114 lsa and wanted to know if I can put on patriot ls6 heads that are 59cc. The part number is #2029 on their website. Just wanted to know if they will clear or do I have to flycut?
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I have the g5x3 cam 234/242 610/615" 114 lsa and wanted to know if I can put on patriot ls6 heads that are 59cc. The part number is #2029 on their website. Just wanted to know if they will clear or do I have to flycut?
.080 minimum and you will only know once you get your heads and measure. You'll get different people telling you the different clearances (some Sponsors, Specially Vendors) they have worked with but those are guys who have money to spare if something goes wrong. Try and contact XtraCajunSS he is a straight shooter and will tell you exactly where you need to be at.

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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 02:13 PM
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internet answer is no just to be safe. measure for yourself is the only way to be sure
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Nope, I will bet $$ you need to flycut; any takers?
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Nope, I will bet $$ you need to flycut; any takers?
Ill double down on that and give you a .020 spread.
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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tnmotown
I have the g5x3 cam 234/242 610/615" 114 lsa and wanted to know if I can put on patriot ls6 heads that are 59cc. The part number is #2029 on their website. Just wanted to know if they will clear or do I have to flycut?

yes you need to flycut.do it right the 1st time.stock heads your cuttin it real close like me with the trex cam.but thats a whole different view from me.

take Pred Z advice on this one.good luck.
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Well Its just cause I found a deal on those heads. But also for the same price I could get PRC stage 2 ls6 heads and those are only 62cc
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Well Its just cause I found a deal on those heads. But also for the same price I could get PRC stage 2 ls6 heads and those are only 62cc
With that cam you are going to need full 64CC chambers and very little no more than .005 or no milling at all. Get some stock GM head gaskets. Still you need to measure no matter what.
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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 02*C5
With that cam you are going to need full 64CC chambers and very little no more than .005 or no milling at all. Get some stock GM head gaskets. Still you need to measure no matter what.
Might I ask how you come up with this? Or are you saying 64cc because thats a stock unmilled head? Dont most if not all CnC programs port out the combustion chamber and then mill to get the correct size chamber?
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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 07:44 PM
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Might I ask how you come up with this? Or are you saying 64cc because thats a stock unmilled head?
Correct. Also the felpro MLS stock compression which I wanted to say will have a thickness of about .054 - .060 That gives you more clearance. Instead of the or Cometic which most people buy at a height of .043 to raise compression.



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Dont most if not all CnC programs port out the combustion chamber and then mill to get the correct size chamber?
CNC machine removes material from the combustion chambers in order to unshroud the valves. This changes the chamber volume dramatically.It takes about .005 of deck milling to take out about a cc of volume but it takes .006 of deck milling to come down 1CC of volume in the LS heads. Most times you will have a combination of CNC of the chamber and Milling of the deck to get to the desired chamber CC. I hope this clears it up a little if not then some one will help me out. That's why I mentioned not to do anything to the heads or very little. You want to keep those valves as far away from the cam as possible.
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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 10:41 PM
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Listen to predator-z or 35th SS in this thread or you will reget it. 59cc head + 234/242cam + bigger valves (stage 2} = PTV contact
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Old Nov 21, 2009 | 11:26 PM
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ya i say u need to cut them
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Why such a big cam brother? This is Jessie P from Norcal. You should take a look at the Torquer V3. I'm having great success with my Patriot heads and that cam combo. Put down good power too for a 4k stalled stock 4L and run pretty good numbers for a stock drive train.
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An X3 is not a "big" cam it's not small either but by no means a monster. If you call LG's tech support they can help you figure out how much you need to flycut via valve drop figures. They will need to know your combustion chamber volume,valve size (I cant remember what else they need to know). They can help you determine safe PTV with the valve drop method I have used this method on my LS1 with the X3 and again with the X4 swap and yet again with the X4 in the current LS2 build. I've spun both motors to 7200 rpm's no issues.
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Originally Posted by jpajkos
Why such a big cam brother? This is Jessie P from Norcal. You should take a look at the Torquer V3. I'm having great success with my Patriot heads and that cam combo. Put down good power too for a 4k stalled stock 4L and run pretty good numbers for a stock drive train.
hey man whats up, well i got a deal on the cam so i jumped on it. Also the car isnt driven as much so why not, lol. I think im gonna step away from the 59cc heads anyways.

Originally Posted by JFM-jr
An X3 is not a "big" cam it's not small either but by no means a monster. If you call LG's tech support they can help you figure out how much you need to flycut via valve drop figures. They will need to know your combustion chamber volume,valve size (I cant remember what else they need to know). They can help you determine safe PTV with the valve drop method I have used this method on my LS1 with the X3 and again with the X4 swap and yet again with the X4 in the current LS2 build. I've spun both motors to 7200 rpm's no issues.
Yeah the x3 is almost like the ms3. I actually had the x4 w/ prc stg 1 ls6 heads milled to 62cc and had no problem with that setup. So i guess i'll look around for a little bit bigger cc heads
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