Tea or Patriot?
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Originally Posted by Blktie8
Terry is great at PP
I bought TEA and just got them , my numbers on the spec are as follows :
ex int
,1000 53.8 69.3
.2000 111 140
.3000 163.9 202
.4000 216 243.5
.5000 246.6 281.3
.5500 254.8 296.4
.6000 261.4 305.6
I bought TEA and just got them , my numbers on the spec are as follows :
ex int
,1000 53.8 69.3
.2000 111 140
.3000 163.9 202
.4000 216 243.5
.5000 246.6 281.3
.5500 254.8 296.4
.6000 261.4 305.6
My point get what you want budwiser or miller
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Simple statement - make of it what you will. I had a set of Patriot Stage 2's on my car ..................... for all of 4 months. They came off - now I have a set of TEA Stage 1.5 heads. Both companies offer great customer service with Terry at PP and Brent at TEA - but I feel one offers a much better product. Car went 11.7 at 118 mph at my first time out at the track with the TEA's - FULL WEIGHT (with my 245lb *** driving), stock suspension and completely untuned.
Just in driving the car around, there was a noticable SOTP difference in the setups. IMO (and it is MY opinion) - one product is superior to the other.
Just in driving the car around, there was a noticable SOTP difference in the setups. IMO (and it is MY opinion) - one product is superior to the other.
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Originally Posted by Hannibal
Simple statement - make of it what you will. I had a set of Patriot Stage 2's on my car ..................... for all of 4 months. They came off - now I have a set of TEA Stage 1.5 heads. Both companies offer great customer service with Terry at PP and Brent at TEA - but I feel one offers a much better product. Car went 11.7 at 118 mph at my first time out at the track with the TEA's - FULL WEIGHT (with my 245lb *** driving), stock suspension and completely untuned.
Just in driving the car around, there was a noticable SOTP difference in the setups. IMO (and it is MY opinion) - one product is superior to the other.
Just in driving the car around, there was a noticable SOTP difference in the setups. IMO (and it is MY opinion) - one product is superior to the other.
I think that you dynoed at over 400 at the wheels with the Patriot 5.3's.I am sure the car would have went 11.7's @ 118 with the other heads.That is just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by TVWilkes
Hannibal,
I think that you dynoed at over 400 at the wheels with the Patriot 5.3's.I am sure the car would have went 11.7's @ 118 with the other heads.That is just my opinion.
I think that you dynoed at over 400 at the wheels with the Patriot 5.3's.I am sure the car would have went 11.7's @ 118 with the other heads.That is just my opinion.
Yes - I dynoed 408RWHP and 380TQ. Problem was power would DIE at 5900 RPM's. So my guess is the heads made power - I just couldnt get to it. I dont think I would have seen 11.7's or 118 mph when I would have had to short shift my way through the 1320'. Also - 408 wasnt exactly impressive to me considering the cam I was running.
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Honestly, don't even look at dyno numbers if I was in your position. Look at track times, forget the dyno and flow bench numbers. Like what was said before you want performance. I don't personally know how the Patriot heads run on the track that is for those owners to pipe in about being the Patriot heads are fairly new to the market. As far as I would look at it, I could take a chance and go with the unknown or you can go with the for sure thing. The more you know of the Patriot heads (unknown) better decision you will make. Customer service is terrific according to folks that have had both. Might be a good idea to look for track numbers on Patriot heads. Personally I'm having a local SBF guy do a set of 5.3 heads I picked up. Yeah that is a chance as well, (probiably larger one for that matter), but that is something I'm willing to do given the rep of the shop I'm gonna take my heads to.
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Originally Posted by Damian
Beast, you shouldn't be comparing flow #'s when debating a purchase on cylinder heads. GTP doesn't always produce the best flow #'s, but they are some of the best heads on the market. You should be more worried about track and dyno results...Which TEA has no problems or producing...JMO
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Does anyone know what the TEA 1.5s are flowing on the exhaust with out the pipe? I also thought the 1.5s using the stock exhaust valve was forbetter flow and velocity.
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Originally Posted by J2KSS
Does anyone know what the TEA 1.5s are flowing on the exhaust with out the pipe? I also thought the 1.5s using the stock exhaust valve was forbetter flow and velocity.
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Originally Posted by J2KSS
Not trying to start a bashing thread, just looking for opinions and e.t.s with similar set up. Im going with X1 which is 230/227 591/571 112. PP5.3s are $1295 and flow 296 and 220 @ .600. Now I came across a once in a life deal to get TEA1.5s for less than $1295 and they flow 300 and 270(if thats right, got this off thier site)at .600. Which way should I go for max power and e.t. with mods in sig? Thanks for any info,Jason
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Originally Posted by sr71bb
Well NO WAY those TEA heads flow 270 on the exhaust side, No one flows that much.
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i went 118 mph with my patriot stg 2 5.3's and a 224/581/112 cam (macs too). this was without asps, and through a restrictive exhaust, as well as stock 3.42 gears. untuned (was doing 112.5-113 mph cam only, same weight and DA, only change being heads)
weight was just over 3400 and the DA was +400 ft, plus i cant drive for crap
now as the car sits i should be over 120 with the same weight and weather (added asps and a new exhaust)
gears might even add a few more
im very satisfied, plus terry is great to deal with
personally i dont think you could go wrong with either
weight was just over 3400 and the DA was +400 ft, plus i cant drive for crap
now as the car sits i should be over 120 with the same weight and weather (added asps and a new exhaust)
gears might even add a few more
im very satisfied, plus terry is great to deal with
personally i dont think you could go wrong with either
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Thanks for the insight Brian. As you say though there is ALOT of confusion regarding flow numbers if ONE flows with a pipe and every one else is flowing them WITHOUT a pipe. If we could get EVERYONE to send a set of heads to an independent flow bench, now THAT would be the ticket. It would never happen but I know HOT ROD tested some small block heads (non-LS1) and that was a very useful comparison.
There is a company down here I use called Kim Barr Racing that has a superflow 600 and I take all my heads to him to get them flowed PRIOR to me putting them on a car. I know in one instance I went back and forth from the porter's to Kim Barr four or five times until the flow numbers were where I wanted them. It costs about 50 dollars a pop to get them flowed but it's worth it IMO. Also since I always use the same flow bench and flow bench technician, the consistency of the information is better.
Tag.....with that 4 inch bore I would go with 2.055 or even 2.08's with 1.60 exhaust. So in essence I agree you need Stage 3's.
BTW, Race teams spend MILLIONS of dollars every year bench testing heads to get the absolute best air flow they can. GENERALLY speaking if the head flows more air it WILL make more power. This is a little different than dyno testing a car. There are plenty of cars that dyno well but DON'T produce the ET's they should.
There is a company down here I use called Kim Barr Racing that has a superflow 600 and I take all my heads to him to get them flowed PRIOR to me putting them on a car. I know in one instance I went back and forth from the porter's to Kim Barr four or five times until the flow numbers were where I wanted them. It costs about 50 dollars a pop to get them flowed but it's worth it IMO. Also since I always use the same flow bench and flow bench technician, the consistency of the information is better.
Tag.....with that 4 inch bore I would go with 2.055 or even 2.08's with 1.60 exhaust. So in essence I agree you need Stage 3's.
BTW, Race teams spend MILLIONS of dollars every year bench testing heads to get the absolute best air flow they can. GENERALLY speaking if the head flows more air it WILL make more power. This is a little different than dyno testing a car. There are plenty of cars that dyno well but DON'T produce the ET's they should.
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If I were you I would go with your gut. When I joined this board I can recall alot of bashing directed at TEA, most people said you get what you pay for. Nowadays it seems directed at PP, and most people say you get what you pay for. People have mentioned the warranty that TEA has, but are those heads being so cheap covered by that warranty? I thought PP had the no core charge? Both have their advantages and both have their backers. IMO flow numbers are important just not as important as actual HP and 1/4 times.
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Originally Posted by sr71bb
Thanks for the insight Brian. As you say though there is ALOT of confusion regarding flow numbers if ONE flows with a pipe and every one else is flowing them WITHOUT a pipe. If we could get EVERYONE to send a set of heads to an independent flow bench, now THAT would be the ticket. It would never happen but I know HOT ROD tested some small block heads (non-LS1) and that was a very useful comparison.
The same can be said of engine RWHP, we have seen two H/C cars on our dyno with the same heads and cam (224/224), one made 435 and the other made 395? BTW, the most we have ever seen is 442 (LS6 heads, big cam). So the #1 question in our minds is how is this possible? Thats what we are actively working on to find out. Of course we may never know. I guess the same reason one factory car dyno's 285 and the next 315, if you could figure this out you could make alot of money and alot of people happy. I think it has something to do with the crankshaft reluctor wheel or cam position sensor, but I don't know enough about that stuff to say.
I will send a head to any shootout of any type, of course not everyone knows what has transpired here at TEA in the last two weeks
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300 @ .550
312 @ .600
317 @ .675 (port stall)
and considering the most flow we have seen from anyones LS1 (4.8/5.3/5.7) head on our bench is 285 then you can see why I am brimming with confidence. Of course the Muscle Mustang dyno test helped too!!
"People have mentioned the warranty that TEA has, but are those heads being so cheap covered by that warranty?"
Our Stg 1.5 head costs $1559, the new 5.3 cores are $300 and then the "hand finish to competition level" adds another $250 so I don't know if you would call them cheap, but yes, everything we do has a warranty. Most people think its crazy, but we did that to emphasize the confidence we have in the parts we use on our heads.
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