Looking to get close to 500 with 5k
Looking to get close to 500 with 5k Hey guys wanted to know what yall think. I want to go with the ms3 cam but not sure on the heads. car is auto and ill be sticking with the stock bottom end for now. Looking to get a 3600-4000 stall. Leaning toward a ls2 chain and a ported ls6 oil pump. Hopefully gears if i have enough. Can i get all this for 5K including labor?
Hey guys wanted to know what yall think. I want to go with the ms3 cam but not sure on the heads. car is auto and ill be sticking with the stock bottom end for now. Looking to get a 3600-4000 stall. Leaning toward a ls2 chain and a ported ls6 oil pump. Hopefully gears if i have enough. Can i get all this for 5K including labor?
AZPS02 Cam (Ed Curtis) Closer to an MS4 than an MS3 $450
243 heads $400 Done to cam specs by AI milled .005 and 64CC chambers $1085
LS6 valves/ $400 stock rockers $289
LS1 lifters $100
Vararam vr-b2 $340
36# injectors $350
FAST 90 ported ($1300 altogether)
90MM TB port and polished ($480)
Comp hardened PR $127
Comp 921 springs $580
Melling 10296 HV $150
double roller timing chain $140
Headers 1 7/8 LT w/ 3X2.5 X pipe $1500
Vigi 3400 stall $1080
RPM stage IV 4L60E $2000
ZO6 3.42 diff with upgraded clutch packs and hardened op shaft $800
One hell of a tune $450
on 91 octane that is what it took me to get 412 hp on an A4. Stock bottom end and 89K on the clock.
grand total $12,021 so for 5K unless you get a sweet deal on a super charger or turbo kit...not possible, oh and the labor was free.
good luck
you need to read the sticky in this section by Patrick G, got some good reads in there.
also 02C5--you got 412rw with a fast 90, AI 243's, and a ed curtis cam (close to MS4)? also 1 7/8 headers..... so theres guys hitting 400rw cam only with some 241s and a LS6 intake? 1000 bucks in mods and you spent 12k? does anyone elses think those numbers are a little low? not trying to hate on you but 12k for 100hp seems like some bad spending.
i think we need to point this guy in a direction where he can get some awesome power for the budget hes shooting for.
look in the dyno section and do some reading on what people are doing for some power, theres tons of pat g, ed curtis, eps, and popular vendor cams making that 400+ number.
im gunning for around 420-440NA and will have nitrous too...heres what im going with
starting with 01LS6 block
tsp stage 1 243s
custom Pat G .617/.624
LS6 intake
1 3/4 LTs, ory
udp
basically full bolt ons
will be a complete cam kit including LS7 lifters, timing chain, oil pump
i think ive gatherd these parts on my own for 3500, labor will be free, and i have hptuners. for sure do some looking around man
also 02C5--you got 412rw with a fast 90, AI 243's, and a ed curtis cam (close to MS4)? also 1 7/8 headers..... so theres guys hitting 400rw cam only with some 241s and a LS6 intake? 1000 bucks in mods and you spent 12k? does anyone elses think those numbers are a little low? not trying to hate on you but 12k for 100hp seems like some bad spending.
i think we need to point this guy in a direction where he can get some awesome power for the budget hes shooting for.
look in the dyno section and do some reading on what people are doing for some power, theres tons of pat g, ed curtis, eps, and popular vendor cams making that 400+ number.
im gunning for around 420-440NA and will have nitrous too...heres what im going with
starting with 01LS6 block
tsp stage 1 243s
custom Pat G .617/.624
LS6 intake
1 3/4 LTs, ory
udp
basically full bolt ons
will be a complete cam kit including LS7 lifters, timing chain, oil pump
i think ive gatherd these parts on my own for 3500, labor will be free, and i have hptuners. for sure do some looking around man
The problem here is the labor. Is this a daily driver? I can think of better ways to go than trying to max effort with a head and cam setup.
You can't do any of the labor?
For 500 rwhp your better off to increase the cubic inches(not saying it can be done with 346 cid). We have a few options we can offer you, including using your current long block.
We've got a few combinations for lesser budgets trying to make 500 that we're going to be introducing from HKE.
You can't do any of the labor?
For 500 rwhp your better off to increase the cubic inches(not saying it can be done with 346 cid). We have a few options we can offer you, including using your current long block.
We've got a few combinations for lesser budgets trying to make 500 that we're going to be introducing from HKE.
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Verdad Gallardo Yeah i should have mentioned I was talking flywheel N/A. My mods are in my sig i got a full exhaust. I ran up on yank and they have a good deal going for the month of feb and the ms3 cam package is 700 i just need to know what a good head combo is for this cam. Car is a daily driver and I can do all the work over time but i would like to have it done quickly and being in the usmc i work rediculous hours. Thanks for all the replys and help so far
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400 to the wheels you will need;
AZPS02 Cam (Ed Curtis) Closer to an MS4 than an MS3 $450
243 heads $400 Done to cam specs by AI milled .005 and 64CC chambers $1085
LS6 valves/ $400 stock rockers $289
LS1 lifters $100
Vararam vr-b2 $340
36# injectors $350
FAST 90 ported ($1300 altogether)
90MM TB port and polished ($480)
Comp hardened PR $127
Comp 921 springs $580
Melling 10296 HV $150
double roller timing chain $140
Headers 1 7/8 LT w/ 3X2.5 X pipe $1500
Vigi 3400 stall $1080
RPM stage IV 4L60E $2000
ZO6 3.42 diff with upgraded clutch packs and hardened op shaft $800
One hell of a tune $450
on 91 octane that is what it took me to get 412 hp on an A4. Stock bottom end and 89K on the clock.
grand total $12,021 so for 5K unless you get a sweet deal on a super charger or turbo kit...not possible, oh and the labor was free.
good luck
AZPS02 Cam (Ed Curtis) Closer to an MS4 than an MS3 $450
243 heads $400 Done to cam specs by AI milled .005 and 64CC chambers $1085
LS6 valves/ $400 stock rockers $289
LS1 lifters $100
Vararam vr-b2 $340
36# injectors $350
FAST 90 ported ($1300 altogether)
90MM TB port and polished ($480)
Comp hardened PR $127
Comp 921 springs $580
Melling 10296 HV $150
double roller timing chain $140
Headers 1 7/8 LT w/ 3X2.5 X pipe $1500
Vigi 3400 stall $1080
RPM stage IV 4L60E $2000
ZO6 3.42 diff with upgraded clutch packs and hardened op shaft $800
One hell of a tune $450
on 91 octane that is what it took me to get 412 hp on an A4. Stock bottom end and 89K on the clock.
grand total $12,021 so for 5K unless you get a sweet deal on a super charger or turbo kit...not possible, oh and the labor was free.
good luck
Launching!
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From: Hammond,La
there have been a few cars to make 500 na on stock cubes. if all your looking or is a little above 400 to the ground thats simple full bolt ons thunder 230/224 cam put down 410hp. before the cam it made 347hp. its really simple to make over 400 to the ground man the only 500+ car i built was a 383. pm me with any questions
500 crank is roughly 415-440 in an auto, depending on setup, the auto robs a little more. but theres plenty of guys hitting these numbers with a stock bottom end. just do some research on what works and what doesnt. what others have had to do.
agreed...500fw hp is about 400-420 rwhp depending on how much the driveline sucks up (stall, gears, axle, wheels).
MS3 in an auto isn't the most street friendly cam on the market. everyone's idea of "driveable" is different, but there are definatly better choices out there.
with the budget you're looking at, do yourself a favor and go a little smaller. any of the cams in the low 23x range with a reasonable set of heads should get you the power you want.
and don't forget about gears...you'll really want them with any decent size cam.
maybe look into something like the Torquer 2 with some PRC stage 2.5 5.3L or LS6 heads. should put out the power and driveability you want. you could go a little smaller even on the cam.
play with costs and options and see if you can go smaller on the cam, and bigger on the heads. high end heads will allow you to run a smaller cam but make the same power as big cam/budget heads.
a set of TFS "as cast" 220cc heads with a proven mild cam like the 228R or similar could be a LEATHAL package!
MS3 in an auto isn't the most street friendly cam on the market. everyone's idea of "driveable" is different, but there are definatly better choices out there.
with the budget you're looking at, do yourself a favor and go a little smaller. any of the cams in the low 23x range with a reasonable set of heads should get you the power you want.
and don't forget about gears...you'll really want them with any decent size cam.
maybe look into something like the Torquer 2 with some PRC stage 2.5 5.3L or LS6 heads. should put out the power and driveability you want. you could go a little smaller even on the cam.
play with costs and options and see if you can go smaller on the cam, and bigger on the heads. high end heads will allow you to run a smaller cam but make the same power as big cam/budget heads.
a set of TFS "as cast" 220cc heads with a proven mild cam like the 228R or similar could be a LEATHAL package!
Staging Lane
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yeah thats quite a list to only make 400 rwhp, ive seen people make 400 to the wheels with bolt ons and cam only.
400 to the wheels you will need;
AZPS02 Cam (Ed Curtis) Closer to an MS4 than an MS3 $450
243 heads $400 Done to cam specs by AI milled .005 and 64CC chambers $1085
LS6 valves/ $400 stock rockers $289
LS1 lifters $100
Vararam vr-b2 $340
36# injectors $350
FAST 90 ported ($1300 altogether)
90MM TB port and polished ($480)
Comp hardened PR $127
Comp 921 springs $580
Melling 10296 HV $150
double roller timing chain $140
Headers 1 7/8 LT w/ 3X2.5 X pipe $1500
Vigi 3400 stall $1080
RPM stage IV 4L60E $2000
ZO6 3.42 diff with upgraded clutch packs and hardened op shaft $800
One hell of a tune $450
on 91 octane that is what it took me to get 412 hp on an A4. Stock bottom end and 89K on the clock.
grand total $12,021 so for 5K unless you get a sweet deal on a super charger or turbo kit...not possible, oh and the labor was free.
good luck
AZPS02 Cam (Ed Curtis) Closer to an MS4 than an MS3 $450
243 heads $400 Done to cam specs by AI milled .005 and 64CC chambers $1085
LS6 valves/ $400 stock rockers $289
LS1 lifters $100
Vararam vr-b2 $340
36# injectors $350
FAST 90 ported ($1300 altogether)
90MM TB port and polished ($480)
Comp hardened PR $127
Comp 921 springs $580
Melling 10296 HV $150
double roller timing chain $140
Headers 1 7/8 LT w/ 3X2.5 X pipe $1500
Vigi 3400 stall $1080
RPM stage IV 4L60E $2000
ZO6 3.42 diff with upgraded clutch packs and hardened op shaft $800
One hell of a tune $450
on 91 octane that is what it took me to get 412 hp on an A4. Stock bottom end and 89K on the clock.
grand total $12,021 so for 5K unless you get a sweet deal on a super charger or turbo kit...not possible, oh and the labor was free.
good luck
And I dont think you need a super 2k upgraded 4l60 just to get 400whp...that is just extra insurance, so is new lifters, rockers, and a double roller...extra insurance unless you have a really high mileage motor, then yes, I would replace as well. Higher flowing Injectors are good upgrade to do but unecessary for a cam only setup...
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Find a cam you want, find a good set of heads that WILL MATCH the cam and work with your mods. A good stall to match cam and you are good to go. If you have someone who can tune these bad boys, then you will have no worries hitting 500 flywheel. You could even hit 500 with only a big cam but its better to find a matching heads/cam combo that will make peak power everywhere and not just up at the very top where you would only see it at the track...
If you check the dyno section, people post up their 346 heads/cam combos all the time, esp with popular cam like ms3. If you want solid data, there is your best source. Also, you have a budget but want to try and get more for your money, you can try the For Sale section too for parts that sometimes are brand new for half the price!
I talked to mayhem and they said they will do everything for a little under 8K tune included. Thats on a custom grind cam, Trick flow 215s, 3600 stall, 373 gears, timing chain, and oil pump, They said i should put down around 430rwhp. Thats a big price does it sound right? RPM is still trying to figure out a combo for me. Should i do a fast 90/90? I have the ls6 intake with a p/p stock TB
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I talked to mayhem and they said they will do everything for a little under 8K tune included. Thats on a custom grind cam, Trick flow 215s, 3600 stall, 373 gears, timing chain, and oil pump, They said i should put down around 430rwhp. Thats a big price does it sound right? RPM is still trying to figure out a combo for me. Should i do a fast 90/90? I have the ls6 intake with a p/p stock TB
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Last edited by 02*C5; Feb 16, 2010 at 11:57 AM.
[QUOTE=Fb0dy0nly;12902065]Agreed, Im not sure that vararam is going to do him any good, nor will the xpipe or zo6 diff...and why would you pay $450 for a cam? You can have one custom specd by most rep sponsors on here for no more than $350-75, off shelf, prob cheaper..
And I dont think you need a super 2k upgraded 4l60 just to get 400whp...that is just extra insurance, so is new lifters, rockers, and a double roller...extra insurance unless you have a really high mileage motor, then yes, I would replace as well. Higher flowing Injectors are good upgrade to do but unecessary for a cam only setup...[QUOTE]
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Lets be realistic for $5K yeah maybe but not possible.
The way I look at it do it right the first time or don't do it at all. With 500 rwhp do you think that 10 bolt is going to hold up. Yeah maybe for one launch, his best bet is to get get a 9" How much is that going to run him.
If anyone is just looking for big numbers ad a cam and a shot of nitrous and you are there if you want your car to be able to be a reliable street/strip vehicle then you have to take a couple of precautions. Regardless if its an F body a Corvette or even a Honda.
And I dont think you need a super 2k upgraded 4l60 just to get 400whp...that is just extra insurance, so is new lifters, rockers, and a double roller...extra insurance unless you have a really high mileage motor, then yes, I would replace as well. Higher flowing Injectors are good upgrade to do but unecessary for a cam only setup...[QUOTE]
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Lets be realistic for $5K yeah maybe but not possible.
The way I look at it do it right the first time or don't do it at all. With 500 rwhp do you think that 10 bolt is going to hold up. Yeah maybe for one launch, his best bet is to get get a 9" How much is that going to run him.
If anyone is just looking for big numbers ad a cam and a shot of nitrous and you are there if you want your car to be able to be a reliable street/strip vehicle then you have to take a couple of precautions. Regardless if its an F body a Corvette or even a Honda.