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Old 04-05-2010, 04:45 PM
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The computer should have seen the detonation and backed everything down.......but your tuner most likely desensitized the knock tables.......like i said the factory tune is a much safer tune.
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Originally Posted by King Nothing
i'm leanin with these guys and sayin check your fuel pump to see if it's goin out. you CR is fine IMO you run pump gas (premium)?
Yes pump gas.
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check the fuel pump and maybe a new tuner
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As said 255lph fuel pump will go in and will be retuned after the rebuild.

I will try to post the tune file.
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Originally Posted by racer7088
Detonation and then some damage from the pieces going from cylinder to cylinder through the manifold. Those must be Lunati or something made by Wiseco because no regular Wisecos look like that piston?
X2. Timing to high, AFR to lean.
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Originally Posted by bb5401000
Looks like the cylinders got a lean air/fuel mixture and drove the combustion temps sky high as witnessed by the obvious melting of the electrodes and pistons. Detonation came in as a result and broke the top of the piston above the top ring. As stated by others, injectors, fuel pressure, etc would be the obvious places to look, if the tune was verified. Any way to verify injector pulse in the computer history?
This is the BEST post in this thread so far, and what I would imagine happened. I would lean towards a fuel pump. But if you had logged data of when this happened that would tell you everything, maybe think about getting a wideband so you can monitor your AFR to prevent this in the future.
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I think a sign on the dash sayng ATTENTION when you hear sounds like pistons are about to break into little pieces.......LET OFF THE THROTTLE MORON!!!

This thread is the reason i loan nothing and if the car goes to a shop or dealer NO DRIVES without me...not even a short test(beat the crap outta yer car) drive.

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Checked the heads and found two bent valves on cylinder# 7!
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Originally Posted by Denali08
Checked the heads and found two bent valves on cylinder# 7!
Yeap.... That would be from the piston particles crossing over from cylinder to cylinder.
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did it have enough top ring end gap??? kinda looks like the rings butted ends and locked in the bore taking the ring land with it? was this a fresh motor?
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nevermind i see it was together for 6 months, might rule out the ring issue unless the engine got hotter than usual, but its hard to believe a n/a motor with forged pistons would see enough detonation to kill pistons like that without you noticing something long before this result.
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Your friend ran it into the dirt. I bet it was pinging like hell before the plugs and pistons went.
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^^It had to be.
But like said, fuel pump, injector, a **** ton of trash in the fuel system, tune something is up.
Be sure to go over EVERYthing before you get it running and something like this happens again.
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Tried to pull the tune using my HP Tuners. Engine is already out. Connected the battery and pulled the fuse for fuel pump to prevent fuel going out.

HP could not detect VCM! "Unable to locate VCM".Anyone know what is the issue?

Asked my tuner to e-mail me the file but it will be EFi live file. It was tuned with MAF, so, guess it is not the issue why VCM not recongnized by HP Tuners.

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Looks like a friends turbo car in one cylinder, detonation, or extreme lean condition causing it to heat up and melt the pistons and spark plugs, when we got my friends engine apart the piston in his had a very nice sized hole through the side of the piston, looked pretty cool, but shitty at the same time.

I agree with those who say detonation though, check those injectors, I say the pump to just to be sure but if the pump was bad it would be happening to the passenger side as the main fuel line comes to the driver side, even under pressure it would still not have gotten starved for fuel. I could be wrong though.
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I've seem a similar failure on a supercharged engine before. Cylinder temps got to high and ring ends butt and take out the piston. The fix was simply to run a slightly bigger ring gap, but that was near 20lbs of boost. I'm curious what your end gaps were set at.
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Originally Posted by OneBad98Z
did it have enough top ring end gap??? kinda looks like the rings butted ends and locked in the bore taking the ring land with it? was this a fresh motor?
no. that'd cause a scuffed cyl, not damage like this.

i'd agree with detonation. lots of variables though. but DAMN. im guessing you were at WOT when this happened?
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Originally Posted by kmracer
no. that'd cause a scuffed cyl, not damage like this.

i'd agree with detonation. lots of variables though. but DAMN. im guessing you were at WOT when this happened?
His "friend" was at WOT apparently. I don't think we are hearing the full story.



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