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Old 06-06-2010, 01:01 AM
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yea i will do that, il try to find some used.... thanks for all the input and help, il try to find a stroke crank seperate and then then pistons and rods and all the goodies new or used if they are really good.

my buddy told me to make a goal before i get deep into something so i wanted 500rwhp and yeah i wont concentrrate on that as much.

thats why i asked which build would be best for me. thanks guys
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damn that sucks!!I hope to have 750 by christmas..Maybe some mod cash for gift lol..
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Originally Posted by izzman55
yea i will do that, il try to find some used.... thanks for all the input and help, il try to find a stroke crank seperate and then then pistons and rods and all the goodies new or used if they are really good.

my buddy told me to make a goal before i get deep into something so i wanted 500rwhp and yeah i wont concentrrate on that as much.

thats why i asked which build would be best for me. thanks guys
Your welcome man but the thing to look out for is GOOD rods and GOOD pistons..I would get new pistons and rings and such..And don't forget about head work man!
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yea i plan on doing the build from bottom up preaty much. i want to do rotating assembly first. i also want some nice high flow heads for this type of build and a cam to match the specifics not just a huge cam. i read alot about cams today and there is alot! lol. but i want to make it good and try to have a budget build.
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Screw Rwhp numbers... Means absolutely nothing if the setup doesn't work together. I put down 370Rwhp in my stalled FULL WEIGHT A4 car and am knocking on 10s back door.

If you absolutely have to have a 500Rwhp just to impress people.... Recipe is simple..

lid
ls6 intake/ported TB
cam- anything above a size 230/232 .600 114 will do the job fine (of course you need springs/pushrods/timing chain/oil pump as well)
LTs/ORY/cutout stock muffler or aftermarket, does not matter as you will run with open cutout when racing and what not
converter if an A4 (I suggest a 3600 nitrous converter)
gears are a must if you are an M6, 410s... If A4 it is up to you if you want to change gears.. If you have 273s I would at least swap to 342s.. If you have 323s, I would leave them in there.
Spray it..

That should get you to 500 and then a little in an A4 pretty easily.. M6 you will be well over your mark.
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I wish ya the best man!And if all else fails buy a 650hp DSM(older Eclipse and Eagle Talon) for 7K and be done..
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Forged bottom end.... Heads.... Stroking the engine... Etc etc etc... All for a measly 500Rwhp?
No way I would blow all that money for only 500Rwhp. I would be worrying more about your rear/trans.
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I wish ya the best man!And if all else fails buy a 650hp DSM(older Eclipse and Eagle Talon) for 7K and be done..
A reliable 650Whp car that can back that up with track times for 7K, huh... I have been modding the wrong platform this whole time.
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ha thanks guys. yeah i want it to be a m6 for sure. also i am attempting to do this motor without a ridiculous price. i have plenty of time, im in the planning stage now. but i want the motor done preferably in a year and a half max.
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Yeah like I said rwhp are a byproduct of what you do to run well I know plenty of people that are dyno queens 500 and 600 hp cars running 12s trapping 125mph+ now is that what you want that's the question.
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Originally Posted by izzman55
ha thanks guys. yeah i want it to be a m6 for sure. also i am attempting to do this motor without a ridiculous price. i have plenty of time, im in the planning stage now. but i want the motor done preferably in a year and a half max.
M6.....


You could do the build I posted for under $2,500 easily and put down well over 500Rwhp... That is if you are starting with a bone stock car.

But again, if you are M6... You need around 1,500-2000$ for your rear end.. As well as quite a pretty penny for trans upgrades. BOTH will be a MUST with a 500+Rwhp M6. With an A4 both should last much longer than with an M6.
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Yeah actually..

http://www.modifiedcartrader.com/e/machine.aspx?i=20102

Talked to the guy about it and yes he is on a conservative tune an don E85 650 is in definite reach
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yea definatly seen that.... id like to have a nice powerfull car, it should be touching tens. i am not looking for any faster. just a good budget build. unless u guys think boost would be the better option....
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Originally Posted by SpeedySam
Yeah actually..

http://www.modifiedcartrader.com/e/machine.aspx?i=20102

Talked to the guy about it and yes he is on a conservative tune an don E85 650 is in definite reach
Stock trans? Stock rear? Forged bottom end? What are the specs on the setup? You ever see dyno sheets or any proof? I'm not buying 450Rwtq out of a 2.0 4cyl, turbo or not.

That car is 150Rwhp shy of 650. it isn't 650 until it is 650. That is 500.
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Originally Posted by izzman55
yea definatly seen that.... id like to have a nice powerfull car, it should be touching tens. i am not looking for any faster. just a good budget build. unless u guys think boost would be the better option....
Did you see in post what it would cost to build that setup?

You couldn't buy a decent basic complete turbo setup for the price of that, not even close.
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It really comes down to what you want..Me I would boost or N20 the **** outta the thing..But sounds to me like you have your heart set on N/A engine so go for it!!What is your budget?
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so yeah what would be cheaper then.... . boosting it or the n.a build. i just love the raw power of n.a and sound.
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Stock trans? Stock rear? Forged bottom end? What are the specs on the setup? You ever see dyno sheets or any proof? I'm not buying 450Rwtq out of a 2.0 4cyl, turbo or not.

That car is 150Rwhp shy of 650. it isn't 650 until it is 650. That is 500.
I swear on my life it could get 650..e85 is very good in these types of cars...No get pissey because a 4cyl..could possible have more Hp than you V8..
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Originally Posted by izzman55
so yeah what would be cheaper then.... . boosting it or the n.a build. i just love the raw power of n.a and sound.
N/A because if you boost you want to be safe so that still involve's building the bottom end..IF you want to run a high amount of boost...And still it seems to me you would have to build the rear end..
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its alot of work to get a 4cyl to what a v8 already has..... if that much investment went in on an ls1 it would put down alot of power


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