Thoughts on Torquer V2 cam
What does it being your daily have to do with anything? If you don't do LTs, but you do a heads/cam/intake setup, you're going to give up potentially more all through the band. Engines are air pumps, there's ZERO sense in trying to force more air in if you can't get it out just as quick.
If you are having heads, cam, and intake installed, you could probably get the shop to install headers for free considering they have to remove your exhaust manifolds anyways...
Free labor-wise I mean. Obviously you would have to buy the headers. Just look on here for some cheap used ones, or possibly even some ebay ones. I've heard they're ok.
Free labor-wise I mean. Obviously you would have to buy the headers. Just look on here for some cheap used ones, or possibly even some ebay ones. I've heard they're ok.
There are several different avenues you can take. Its not mandatory to have headers with a cam. Its just optimal. I ran a 222/226 cam and a 224r cam with stock everything about 8 years ago. It picked up power and I noticed it quite a bit as a daily driver. Really the only thing you will be doing is appearing stock and still having some bang behind it.
If you are searching for a number then you are going to want to strap on all the goodies to get it in most cases. But I tell you what, if you can get 405rwhp and 390rwtq out of H/C/I and skimp on the exhaust, thats pretty impressive.
However, "It's your money, use it when you need it" - JG Wentworth
If you are searching for a number then you are going to want to strap on all the goodies to get it in most cases. But I tell you what, if you can get 405rwhp and 390rwtq out of H/C/I and skimp on the exhaust, thats pretty impressive.
However, "It's your money, use it when you need it" - JG Wentworth
Well stated orangepeel.
My current plan is to install a cam and the LS6 intake. Stock heads and stock manifolds. I am in no way a number chaser, just looking to give the car some more power without spending a lot of money. I'm thinking that 380 to 400 hp to the tires is about what I should expect once it is dialed in...if I feel the need for more in the future, I can always add the LT's at a later date.
My current plan is to install a cam and the LS6 intake. Stock heads and stock manifolds. I am in no way a number chaser, just looking to give the car some more power without spending a lot of money. I'm thinking that 380 to 400 hp to the tires is about what I should expect once it is dialed in...if I feel the need for more in the future, I can always add the LT's at a later date.
Well stated orangepeel.
My current plan is to install a cam and the LS6 intake. Stock heads and stock manifolds. I am in no way a number chaser, just looking to give the car some more power without spending a lot of money. I'm thinking that 380 to 400 hp to the tires is about what I should expect once it is dialed in...if I feel the need for more in the future, I can always add the LT's at a later date.
My current plan is to install a cam and the LS6 intake. Stock heads and stock manifolds. I am in no way a number chaser, just looking to give the car some more power without spending a lot of money. I'm thinking that 380 to 400 hp to the tires is about what I should expect once it is dialed in...if I feel the need for more in the future, I can always add the LT's at a later date.
It definitely can be done. One thing to keep in mind, traditional cams are designed around headers to evacuate the spent gasses to make the most gains. A big cam with a totally stock exhaust will give up your low end power, and just when it starts coming into its own, will be choked by manifolds.
The good news - people have been down this path too. Check out this package from Thunder Racing: CheaTR LS1 Head & Cam Package
That is (was) Patrick G's car, and he has gone on to build some other similar setups around stock manifolds that still make good power. You just need a lot more exhaust duration for a given intake duration and, due to overlap, you need to spread the LSA and limit the total duration. Once you get past -6, -4 overlap and approach a positive amount of overlap (at .050" lift) you are trading performance for that lumpy cam sound.
Another link 403 rwhp LS1 with stock exhaust manifolds and mild cam
Since you've recently joined, I don't know how much you have learned about these engines. The best advice I can give you is do some cam research here, turn on your BS filter, and don't get caught up in the huge cam craze - especially if you plan to keep your stock exhaust manifolds.
Good luck!
The good news - people have been down this path too. Check out this package from Thunder Racing: CheaTR LS1 Head & Cam Package
That is (was) Patrick G's car, and he has gone on to build some other similar setups around stock manifolds that still make good power. You just need a lot more exhaust duration for a given intake duration and, due to overlap, you need to spread the LSA and limit the total duration. Once you get past -6, -4 overlap and approach a positive amount of overlap (at .050" lift) you are trading performance for that lumpy cam sound.
Another link 403 rwhp LS1 with stock exhaust manifolds and mild cam
Since you've recently joined, I don't know how much you have learned about these engines. The best advice I can give you is do some cam research here, turn on your BS filter, and don't get caught up in the huge cam craze - especially if you plan to keep your stock exhaust manifolds.
Good luck!
This whole thread is ridiculous. Your going to be giving up more than 30 horse if you don't put on longtubes. Your going to spend the time and money putting in a cam to gain what 15rwhp!! Pretty good plan i would say lol
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Thanks a lot hammertime. I will be doing my research on the cam setup for the car. To my knowledge, the Cheatr cams do not lope at all. While it is not a deal breaker, I would like a little lope at idle. For example, I have a Chevy 350 with an L82 cam in it and it lope just enough...
bryan, an ls1 is not a 350sbc. you really cant take cam rule of thumb from that and apply it to the new generation of engines.
the problem with making 400+ on the stock manifolds is you have to band-aid the lack of flow with cam specs. the CheaTR cams are designed around that. if you want a thump thump thump, get a comp cams Thumpr cam for the LS1.
the problem with making 400+ on the stock manifolds is you have to band-aid the lack of flow with cam specs. the CheaTR cams are designed around that. if you want a thump thump thump, get a comp cams Thumpr cam for the LS1.
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if ya running manifolds and cats cheater cam ll the way It will make more power then T2 cam and dont tell anyone u added it 
Its stock with lid and catback lol
Its stock with lid and catback lol 
If you're still "dead set" against going with long tube headers, then you'll need a cam with a larger split between the intake and exhaust duration;which the Trqr V.2 doesn't offer. Something like what I stated before or a 224/230 would IMO, be a better choice. And if a TSP cam is what you want, then one of their custom grinds would likely work better for you. 
Give them a call/email I'm sure they'll recommend a better cam for you needs/wants.
Give them a call/email I'm sure they'll recommend a better cam for you needs/wants.
I'm not dead set against LT's...I just don't want them right now. Right now, I just want to do cam and intake. My friend might swap his 243's for some trick flow heads, if he does I will buy them and replace my 853's. At that point, I will probably do LT's. I am thinking that a cam and intake ought to be worth 60-70 hp and more importantly 50+ ftlbs down low.
What are you talking about man. You obviously haven't done any research on here at all 
. Long tubes and exhaust (catback or duals) should be the first thing you do. By doing that, your going to pick up at least 30 hp with a good tune. The other guys are right, your doing things *** backwards. You don't intall a cam until you've got the exhaust set up to push out that kind of power you get from a cam. Doing it your way makes no sense at all. Ask anyone on here and they're going to say installing a cam without the proper bolt ons is a waste of time and money.
. Long tubes and exhaust (catback or duals) should be the first thing you do. By doing that, your going to pick up at least 30 hp with a good tune. The other guys are right, your doing things *** backwards. You don't intall a cam until you've got the exhaust set up to push out that kind of power you get from a cam. Doing it your way makes no sense at all. Ask anyone on here and they're going to say installing a cam without the proper bolt ons is a waste of time and money.