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Old 08-19-2010, 11:52 AM
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What clay are you using? Just something from the arts and craft store? or something more specific? Thanks
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I use modeling clay, You can get it at walmart in the arts & craft section.Just put a thin layer of oil on the clay to help release the valve after it presses into the clay.
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Werd, modeling clay is where its at. Do you already have the engine apart? Or are the heads bolted up and you have no reason to remove them, other than checking PTV via the clay method?
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Originally Posted by 1SLwLS1
Werd, modeling clay is where its at. Do you already have the engine apart? Or are the heads bolted up and you have no reason to remove them, other than checking PTV via the clay method?
Heads are off. Here is my build
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-am-build.html
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NVM, I know who you are now.
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You can also check with a dial indicator or feeler gauge if you have check springs.
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Originally Posted by vettenuts
You can also check with a dial indicator or feeler gauge if you have check springs.
I was told by several builders that this method is inaccurate because it doesnt show accurate valve events.
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Originally Posted by AW794
I was told by several builders that this method is inaccurate because it doesnt show accurate valve events.
Actually, it is very accurate if you use the proper procedure and you don't even have to remove the heads. This is what I was going to recommend, BUT you already had your heads and everything else off. You actually start @ 15 degrees BTDC and measure the allowable clearance between the piston and valve as it drops. Start off with broad range, like rotate engine and check every 5 degrees, and then dial it in from there until you find the maximum. This is with a dial indicator above the valve with checker springs.
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Originally Posted by 1SLwLS1
Actually, it is very accurate if you use the proper procedure and you don't even have to remove the heads. This is what I was going to recommend, BUT you already had your heads and everything else off. You actually start @ 15 degrees BTDC and measure the allowable clearance between the piston and valve as it drops. Start off with broad range, like rotate engine and check every 5 degrees, and then dial it in from there until you find the maximum. This is with a dial indicator above the valve with checker springs.
That makes since. I guess when i asked the builders, i specified TDC.
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I did it every 2 degrees starting at 20 before through 20 after TDC on the exhaust stroke. This is much more accurate. Clay can get distorted and provides inaccurate measurements. It is good as a confirmation of measured values. The only thing that isn't taken into account when you use dial indicator is flex of the valve train so it will be a bit conservative which is what you want.
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Originally Posted by vettenuts
I did it every 2 degrees starting at 20 before through 20 after TDC on the exhaust stroke. This is much more accurate. Clay can get distorted and provides inaccurate measurements. It is good as a confirmation of measured values. The only thing that isn't taken into account when you use dial indicator is flex of the valve train so it will be a bit conservative which is what you want.
this is by far the best way i have found to check ptv clearance



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