POLL on PP LS6 head!
Random thought ...
I buy a set of PP heads for $1795 instead of another choice at $2595. That leaves me $800 to change seals if I had to. The numbers can vary, but the point remains.
I buy a set of PP heads for $1795 instead of another choice at $2595. That leaves me $800 to change seals if I had to. The numbers can vary, but the point remains.
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Originally Posted by critter
Random thought ...
I buy a set of PP heads for $1795 instead of another choice at $2595. That leaves me $800 to change seals if I had to. The numbers can vary, but the point remains.
I buy a set of PP heads for $1795 instead of another choice at $2595. That leaves me $800 to change seals if I had to. The numbers can vary, but the point remains.
How hard is it to change seals again?
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Originally Posted by critter
Random thought ...
I buy a set of PP heads for $1795 instead of another choice at $2595. That leaves me $800 to change seals if I had to. The numbers can vary, but the point remains.
I buy a set of PP heads for $1795 instead of another choice at $2595. That leaves me $800 to change seals if I had to. The numbers can vary, but the point remains.
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I have the stage II LS-1 heads (didn't want to up the cr to much due to the Magnacharger), the heads look great but I only have a couple hours of run time due to the spark plug holes being drilled at a different angle than stock.
The stock LS-1 heads have the spark plugs mounted at approx 62 degree angle and the Patriot stage II LS-1 heads are drilled at approx 68 degree angle, this is causing the #7 plug wire to burn even after chafing thru my Koolsox.
I've already talked to Jason at Texas Speed and Terry at Patriot, BTW Terry have you had a chance to measure your LS-1 heads yet?
No vendor bashing here, **** happens, I know this but it still sucks to do this job twice.
The stock LS-1 heads have the spark plugs mounted at approx 62 degree angle and the Patriot stage II LS-1 heads are drilled at approx 68 degree angle, this is causing the #7 plug wire to burn even after chafing thru my Koolsox.
I've already talked to Jason at Texas Speed and Terry at Patriot, BTW Terry have you had a chance to measure your LS-1 heads yet?
No vendor bashing here, **** happens, I know this but it still sucks to do this job twice.
Last edited by runamuk; Feb 14, 2004 at 01:27 PM.
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Originally Posted by WS6snake-eater
I haven't been to the dyno yet, and I still have some tuning issues to work out but with the g5x3 on 112 and PP ls6 stage II's, I ran a 11.69 at 117 with a 1.72 60'...completely stock suspension A4 setup shifting at 6600, in a full weight car. FWIW, it was the very first time I've ever been to the track, and it was on my 2nd run. I've never been to the track before with any car. So I'm sure there is room for driver improvment also. There is a lot more in this setup with a good tune, gearing and suspension. I just ordered the suspension stuff, and will be taking care of some fine tuning and weight reduction in the next 2 weeks. I should be running in the 11.2-11.3 range with correct suspension and tuning, and just more practice. I'll have some hard HP numbers when I get tuned. I was completely satisfied with Terry's professionalism over the phone, and I think for the price, I definately got my moneys worth. Could I have spent more and got a better flowing head? Sure, but to me the extra 7-15 HP wasn't worth another $700 - $1500 over the price of the Patriot heads.
UPDATE: Just got back from MTI Dyno Day...uncorrected numbers are:
450.9 rwhp, 419.0 rwtq, with verter locked
443.4 rwhp, 430.1 rwtq, with verter unlocked
SAE corrected #'s
431.0 rwhp, 401.2 rwtq, locked
423.6 rwhp, 411.2 rwtq, unlocked
This is on a very safe tune for nitrous use. Jayson has me tuned a tad bit rich, and running 27* of timing. These runs are on and A4 with PYE 3600 stall, stock 10 bolt with 3.23's, and 26 PSI in tires. Air filter was removed, I dont run with one at the track so I didn't see the point in running with one on the dyno. All Patriot trash talkers
Once again I would like to compliment Terry and Lou. They both have great products on their hands.
Originally Posted by WS6snake-eater
UPDATE: Just got back from MTI Dyno Day...uncorrected numbers are:
450.9 rwhp, 419.0 rwtq, with verter locked
443.4 rwhp, 430.1 rwtq, with verter unlocked
SAE corrected #'s
431.0 rwhp, 401.2 rwtq, locked
423.6 rwhp, 411.2 rwtq, unlocked
This is on a very safe tune for nitrous use. Jayson has me tuned a tad bit rich, and running 27* of timing. These runs are on and A4 with PYE 3600 stall, stock 10 bolt with 3.23's, and 26 PSI in tires. Air filter was removed, I dont run with one at the track so I didn't see the point in running with one on the dyno. All Patriot trash talkers
Once again I would like to compliment Terry and Lou. They both have great products on their hands.
450.9 rwhp, 419.0 rwtq, with verter locked
443.4 rwhp, 430.1 rwtq, with verter unlocked
SAE corrected #'s
431.0 rwhp, 401.2 rwtq, locked
423.6 rwhp, 411.2 rwtq, unlocked
This is on a very safe tune for nitrous use. Jayson has me tuned a tad bit rich, and running 27* of timing. These runs are on and A4 with PYE 3600 stall, stock 10 bolt with 3.23's, and 26 PSI in tires. Air filter was removed, I dont run with one at the track so I didn't see the point in running with one on the dyno. All Patriot trash talkers
Once again I would like to compliment Terry and Lou. They both have great products on their hands.
HEy great #s
Can ya post a graph Id like to compare it to my unlocked graph
Im always wondering why there are m6 cars with the same heads and simular cams as your making 415hp?
Have fun with the new power
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Wow, those are great numbers for an A4. I always wonder how they get over 400 on A4's with a stall. I got 380 RWHP/400RWTQ Corrected on
my 2001 A4 Corvette with a Yank SS4000/3.42's/and 23 lbs in my BFG DR's.
I think very respectable #'s with the high stall and all. No 1/4 mile times yet, but I ran at the 1/8 mile track 2 times:
Best 7.15 at 96 MPH with a 1.60 60'
my 2001 A4 Corvette with a Yank SS4000/3.42's/and 23 lbs in my BFG DR's.
I think very respectable #'s with the high stall and all. No 1/4 mile times yet, but I ran at the 1/8 mile track 2 times:
Best 7.15 at 96 MPH with a 1.60 60'
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Originally Posted by 2001 Red Coupe Bandit
Wow, those are great numbers for an A4. I always wonder how they get over 400 on A4's with a stall. I got 380 RWHP/400RWTQ Corrected on
my 2001 A4 Corvette with a Yank SS4000/3.42's/and 23 lbs in my BFG DR's.
I think very respectable #'s with the high stall and all. No 1/4 mile times yet, but I ran at the 1/8 mile track 2 times:
Best 7.15 at 96 MPH with a 1.60 60'
my 2001 A4 Corvette with a Yank SS4000/3.42's/and 23 lbs in my BFG DR's.
I think very respectable #'s with the high stall and all. No 1/4 mile times yet, but I ran at the 1/8 mile track 2 times:
Best 7.15 at 96 MPH with a 1.60 60'
Your car runs really good man
Cant wait to hear your 1/4 times
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My car goes in this week to Speed Inc for a set of Patriot Stage II LS6 heads, a new cam (224/224/.581/114) and LSX intake 
I'll post what my car puts down on the dyno with this combo. If I have any issues (or hopefully no isues at all!) in the near future, I'll post of them too 
I'll post what my car puts down on the dyno with this combo. If I have any issues (or hopefully no isues at all!) in the near future, I'll post of them too 