Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Lifter Damage

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 04:36 PM
  #1  
brewerz28's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 88
Likes: 0
From: houston,tx
Default Lifter Damage

PICS OF CAM ON PAGE 3


Ok guys I pulled the heads and found one lifter turned in the tray and the other slightly cocked in the tray. This is in a 2002 z06 with a ms4 with around 8k on it. As I have yet to jack the car up and drain the oil I have not seen any metal shavings anywhere. All cylinder walls and pistons look fine save for some buildup which I believe looks normal. My question is..would I be ok in just dropping my ls7 lifters in and rock n roll with it. Or what...here are the pics.

Here are the pics. And yes dont even ask why there are two different lifters. The heads were pulled by a VERY WELL KNOWN SHOP when the cam was installed and new lifters dropped installed. You have no IDEA how pissed I was when I saw that. But ***** it.
Attached Thumbnails Lifter Damage-photo11.jpg   Lifter Damage-photo22.jpg   Lifter Damage-photo33.jpg   Lifter Damage-photo44.jpg   Lifter Damage-photo55.jpg  


Last edited by brewerz28; Jan 31, 2011 at 02:12 PM.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 04:37 PM
  #2  
brewerz28's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 88
Likes: 0
From: houston,tx
Default

Oops must have done something wrong. Let me know if you cant just right click and see them in a new window or whatever.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 04:52 PM
  #3  
Darkman's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,167
Likes: 6
From: Spring, Texas
Default

Well the right click did not work for me.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 04:58 PM
  #4  
brewerz28's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 88
Likes: 0
From: houston,tx
Default

ok..I'll try and fix it.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 05:12 PM
  #5  
brewerz28's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 88
Likes: 0
From: houston,tx
Default

There ya go.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 05:16 PM
  #6  
Darkman's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,167
Likes: 6
From: Spring, Texas
Default

Yep its fixed. Now, why only 2 kinds of lifters? There is room to put 16 different lifters.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 05:18 PM
  #7  
brewerz28's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 88
Likes: 0
From: houston,tx
Default

Originally Posted by Darkman
Yep its fixed. Now, why only 2 kinds of lifters? There is room to put 16 different lifters.
A glass full kinda guy huh? lol
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 05:21 PM
  #8  
BennyB's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
15 Year Member
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,079
Likes: 4
From: Omaha, NE
Default

new lifters, change oil and your good i would say
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-3

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

 
story-7

10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Five Reasons the Camaro Was the Most Pivotal Player in the Pony Car Wars 2.0

 Brett Foote
story-9

10 Reasons the LS7 Is GM's Most Extreme Naturally Aspirated V8 Engine Ever

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 05:23 PM
  #9  
Darkman's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,167
Likes: 6
From: Spring, Texas
Default

i assume the problem was worn lifter trays. Can you tell what the cam lobes look like?
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 05:25 PM
  #10  
brewerz28's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 88
Likes: 0
From: houston,tx
Default

Originally Posted by BennyB
new lifters, change oil and your good i would say
rock n roll..

if **** really hits the fan.. I have a ls2 out of a 05 vette sitting in the garage. but the car has sat for almost a year because providing for the family came first. Damn responsibilities.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 05:26 PM
  #11  
brewerz28's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 88
Likes: 0
From: houston,tx
Default

Originally Posted by Darkman
i assume the problem was worn lifter trays. Can you tell what the cam lobes look like?
yeah the lobes look good. not new but looks good. I have ls2 trays ready to go in.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 05:29 PM
  #12  
Z/YA's Avatar
On The Tree
iTrader: (36)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 104
Likes: 0
From: Warsaw, IN
Default

Nope you need to pull the cam and inspected the lobes.
You can see damage on the roller its self in the pictures. Is the roller stuck? will it spin? It also could possible be the roller was not hard enough and the cam ate away at it or vise versa.

I guessing the roller would not turn or at least not freely which caused it to want to spin.

Also for the guys I know are going to jump on here and say its the lifter trays, it not them trust me. Once the lifters are down on the cam with the pushrods on them they do not come back up in the tray.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 05:30 PM
  #13  
Darkman's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,167
Likes: 6
From: Spring, Texas
Default

I agree with BennyB, put in some new lifters and change the oil (with filter). I would also change the oil & filter again relatively soon.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 05:34 PM
  #14  
brewerz28's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 88
Likes: 0
From: houston,tx
Default

Originally Posted by Z/YA
Nope you need to pull the cam and inspected the lobes.
You can see damage on the roller its self in the pictures. Is the roller stuck? will it spin? It also could possible be the roller was not hard enough and the cam ate away at it or vise versa.

I guessing the roller would not turn or at least not freely which caused it to want to spin.

Also for the guys I know are going to jump on here and say its the lifter trays, it not them trust me. Once the lifters are down on the cam with the pushrods on them they do not come back up in the tray.
nope..the rollers turn freely. no hesitation or stoppage. I didnt say they came up in the tray. They were both slightly turned. in the tray. I was going to pull the cam but just dont have the time hence the reason for asking. Thanks for the input.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 05:37 PM
  #15  
slowride's Avatar
TECH Resident
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 957
Likes: 118
From: New Hartford, IA
Default

Any damage like that on the lifters and I doubt the cam is in good shape. Sometimes comp can do a regrind over the old base to save it, but it will reduce the base circle a little. I had them do one a few years ago, but went from a 232 236 xe to a 228 232 xer.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 05:45 PM
  #16  
Z/YA's Avatar
On The Tree
iTrader: (36)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 104
Likes: 0
From: Warsaw, IN
Default

Originally Posted by brewerz28
nope..the rollers turn freely. no hesitation or stoppage. I didnt say they came up in the tray. They were both slightly turned. in the tray. I was going to pull the cam but just dont have the time hence the reason for asking. Thanks for the input.
If it was my car or a customers I would diffently pull the cam and inspect it.

You already see that whoever did it did not care enough and put two different lifters in the motor.
Since you have the heads off now so you might as well tear the balancer off and cover and slide the cam out. You are looking at a hour tops not much more work.

Also I was not meaning you thought they came up in the tray I was meaning for the guys who are going to jump on and say "worn lifter trays" because I knew it was coming lol.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 05:55 PM
  #17  
brewerz28's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 88
Likes: 0
From: houston,tx
Default

Originally Posted by Z/YA
If it was my car or a customers I would diffently pull the cam and inspect it.

You already see that whoever did it did not care enough and put two different lifters in the motor.
Since you have the heads off now so you might as well tear the balancer off and cover and slide the cam out. You are looking at a hour tops not much more work.

Also I was not meaning you thought they came up in the tray I was meaning for the guys who are going to jump on and say "worn lifter trays" because I knew it was coming lol.
I definently agree with ya bud. I would do the same also if I wasnt so damn strapped for time. Yeah I've done a **** load of cam swaps over the years. I've been in this game for ten years. Im not scared or one unable"mechanically wise" to do the job. Its just time bud. I've owned a 99z28, 2002 ws6 my current 2002z06 the wifes G8 GT and a 2006 yukon. I know these motors fairly well I believe. But between my career and 3 yr old..Time is a luxury I do not possess. lol
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2011 | 05:58 PM
  #18  
Darkman's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,167
Likes: 6
From: Spring, Texas
Default

Originally Posted by Z/YA
Also I was not meaning you thought they came up in the tray I was meaning for the guys who are going to jump on and say "worn lifter trays" because I knew it was coming lol.
Okay, I am open-minded and willing to learn.

Why do we have lifter trays, link-bars, and keyway lifters?
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2011 | 12:38 AM
  #19  
Whiteaw57's Avatar
TECH Resident
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 909
Likes: 0
From: Salisbury, NC
Default

Id pull that cam......if its worn out youre gonna be either pulling the heads back off to change lifters and cam again, or youre gonna be putting that ls2 in when metal goes through the motor. for the piece of mind to enjoy the car....pull that cam dude.
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2011 | 08:47 AM
  #20  
408Maro's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
20 Year Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,287
Likes: 0
From: San Jose,CA
Default

Bro pull the cam out its obvious the cam is as bad as those lifters most likely. Please don't ruin a good engine. If you got.time to throw in a ls2 you got more then enough time to swap the cam..but if your looking for a reason to slap on the ls2 ill be more then happy to take the ls1
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:23 PM.

story-0
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-3
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-4
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE
story-5
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

Slideshow: A heavily reworked 1972 K5 Blazer swaps its off-road roots for a low-slung street-focused build with modern V8 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-09 18:08:45


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There are thousands of used Camaros on the market but we think you should avoid these 10

By | 2026-02-17 17:09:30


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

Slideshows: Which one of these myths do you believe?

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-28 18:10:11


VIEW MORE
story-8
Five Reasons the Camaro Was the Most Pivotal Player in the Pony Car Wars 2.0

The world was a better place when it was still around.

By Brett Foote | 2026-01-23 09:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Reasons the LS7 Is GM's Most Extreme Naturally Aspirated V8 Engine Ever

Slideshow: The 7.0-liter LS7 was designed for absolute cutting-edge performance.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-07 18:36:00


VIEW MORE