Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Cam question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 6, 2011 | 08:54 PM
  #1  
LS1121's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,054
Likes: 12
From: Charlotte NC
Talking Cam question

Well I have to ask, I've read everything till my eyes hurt and I'm still not sure so........... I have a 98 Z28 LS1 with a ton of miles and wanted to do a valve job some freshen up work instead.....I bought a set of 799 heads and am going to have someone install them along with a LS6 intake . I'm going to replace the lifters and push rods again because many miles on the car. I want to replace the cam at the same time but unsure of what to get. I am running stock manifolds and cats from an 2000 z28 and am going to keep this package. What would be a good cam to put in? I would like a little more power maybe another 60-70 hp. What are my options. This is my daily driver and i like the gas mileage.
Reply
Old May 6, 2011 | 09:04 PM
  #2  
z99ls1's Avatar
Restricted User
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,786
Likes: 0
From: kansas
Default

You can't eat your cake and have it to. I would go with a low 220's cam since you have alot of miles. It won't drop your gas to much and it will still make somewhere around 40hp with just the cam.
Reply
Old May 6, 2011 | 09:17 PM
  #3  
LS1121's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,054
Likes: 12
From: Charlotte NC
Default

Originally Posted by z99ls1
You can't eat your cake and have it to. I would go with a low 220's cam since you have alot of miles. It won't drop your gas to much and it will still make somewhere around 40hp with just the cam.
But Why? I like my cake lol i was thinking 224/224 .563 112? or is this tooo much.
Reply
Old May 6, 2011 | 09:52 PM
  #4  
99Bluz28's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (35)
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 9,705
Likes: 12
From: C. V., Kalifornia
Default

With stock exhaust manifolds you'll want more exhaust lobe duration.
Reply
Old May 6, 2011 | 10:51 PM
  #5  
garygnu's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 5,445
Likes: 4
Default

what tranny ,A4 or M6?a tsp cam pkg is good power increase for the price.look at a comp cam LSr cam,most have a 8* duration split .they are listed at the WS6 store.
Reply
Old May 7, 2011 | 12:46 AM
  #6  
LS1121's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,054
Likes: 12
From: Charlotte NC
Default

It's an A4
Reply
Old May 7, 2011 | 02:59 AM
  #7  
01ssreda4's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (96)
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 24,241
Likes: 89
From: Turnin' Wrenches Infractions: 005
Default

I would look at Thunder's cam for stock manifolds.....Old Man Cam I think is the name. Would be good for what you are wanting to do.
Reply
Old May 7, 2011 | 10:37 AM
  #8  
crainholio's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,977
Likes: 3
Default

Originally Posted by LS1121
But Why? I like my cake lol i was thinking 224/224 .563 112? or is this tooo much.
I'm running a Thunder cam w/ those specs and get 27-29mpg on the highway in 6th gear, and that's with 3.73 rear gears.
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

6 Gifts Neither Your Dad Nor Grad Will Shove Into the 'Trinket Drawer'

 Brett Foote
story-1

Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-6

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-8

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-9

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
Old May 7, 2011 | 11:43 AM
  #9  
LS1121's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,054
Likes: 12
From: Charlotte NC
Default

Originally Posted by crainholio
I'm running a Thunder cam w/ those specs and get 27-29mpg on the highway in 6th gear, and that's with 3.73 rear gears.

Are you using stock heads with stock springs and rockers?
Reply
Old May 7, 2011 | 11:51 AM
  #10  
z99ls1's Avatar
Restricted User
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,786
Likes: 0
From: kansas
Default

How many mile do you have exactly?
Reply
Old May 7, 2011 | 11:54 AM
  #11  
LS1121's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,054
Likes: 12
From: Charlotte NC
Default

Originally Posted by z99ls1
how many mile do you have exactly?
276,000
Reply
Old May 7, 2011 | 12:07 PM
  #12  
z99ls1's Avatar
Restricted User
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,786
Likes: 0
From: kansas
Default

stock bottom end?
Reply
Old May 7, 2011 | 12:21 PM
  #13  
crainholio's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,977
Likes: 3
Default

Originally Posted by LS1121
Are you using stock heads with stock springs and rockers?
Stock 241 heads, rockers, and F-body exhaust manifolds.

I was running Crane dual springs and they did very well since 2004, but the engine is getting a freshening from a suspected lifter failure so I'm going w/ PAC beehives this time around.

edit to add: the TR cam has very aggressive lobe rates and there's no way I'd run any factory spring w/ it. LS1 spring is out of the question regardless, LS6 spring might have enough coil clearance but the spring's rate is not likely to be stiff enough to keep the valvetrain under control.
Reply
Old May 7, 2011 | 03:47 PM
  #14  
LS1121's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,054
Likes: 12
From: Charlotte NC
Default

Originally Posted by z99ls1
stock bottom end?


Yes stock everything
Reply
Old May 7, 2011 | 03:50 PM
  #15  
LS1121's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,054
Likes: 12
From: Charlotte NC
Default

Originally Posted by crainholio
Stock 241 heads, rockers, and F-body exhaust manifolds.

I was running Crane dual springs and they did very well since 2004, but the engine is getting a freshening from a suspected lifter failure so I'm going w/ PAC beehives this time around.

edit to add: the TR cam has very aggressive lobe rates and there's no way I'd run any factory spring w/ it. LS1 spring is out of the question regardless, LS6 spring might have enough coil clearance but the spring's rate is not likely to be stiff enough to keep the valvetrain under control.


I was going to use those yellow springs that come with the LS2 with 243 heads
Reply
Old May 7, 2011 | 09:54 PM
  #16  
crainholio's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,977
Likes: 3
Default

If they're new springs they might be OK, but no way I'd run used stockers w/ that cam.

I'd go with PAC or PSI beehives, personally.
Reply
Old May 7, 2011 | 10:32 PM
  #17  
garygnu's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 5,445
Likes: 4
Default

holy mileage batman..buy some comp 918 springs.get a new oil pump and timing set,the thunder racing cam will work great.get some newer lower miles rocker arms .or do a comp cam trunnion upgrade.do a compression check and post your results.do a valve seat leak test on the 799 before you install them.if they weep do a valve job.
Reply
Old May 8, 2011 | 09:42 AM
  #18  
LS1121's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,054
Likes: 12
From: Charlotte NC
Default

Originally Posted by garygnu
holy mileage batman..buy some comp 918 springs.get a new oil pump and timing set,the thunder racing cam will work great.get some newer lower miles rocker arms .or do a comp cam trunnion upgrade.do a compression check and post your results.do a valve seat leak test on the 799 before you install them.if they weep do a valve job.
I have the heads here they are New and i just bought a set of "New Take off" valves from Ebay they look new not a mark on them and they all drop right in I checked. Have the valve covers from a member here, a set of rockers from a member here, the rockers seem to have a little play in them is this Normal? If not i can do the Trunion upgrade myself. Oil Pump and Timing set OK that will be my next purchase.

My Main concern is that with all the mileage on the bottom end, that is used to having the old parts, I don't want to double the pressure so to speak and blow out the bushings on my Crank. All being said, this is probably the best car I've ever had.
Reply
Old May 8, 2011 | 09:56 AM
  #19  
crainholio's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,977
Likes: 3
Default

Originally Posted by LS1121
I don't want to double the pressure so to speak and blow out the bushings on my Crank.
Whoah there, put the tools down and do some reading before moving ahead.

As for the rockers, even brand new GM rockers I've bought had a noticeable amount of play in the trunion shaft. Seems to be designed into them.
Reply
Old May 8, 2011 | 10:33 AM
  #20  
LS1121's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,054
Likes: 12
From: Charlotte NC
Default

Originally Posted by crainholio
Whoah there, put the tools down and do some reading before moving ahead.

As for the rockers, even brand new GM rockers I've bought had a noticeable amount of play in the trunion shaft. Seems to be designed into them.
Yes but do you get my point? The motor has 276,000 miles on it. I'm concerned about stressing out this old junk with new HP parts.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:37 PM.

story-0
6 Gifts Neither Your Dad Nor Grad Will Shove Into the 'Trinket Drawer'

Don't get dad new socks or a grill brush this year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 14:55:56


VIEW MORE
story-1
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-2
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-3
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-4
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-5
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-6
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-9
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE