z99ls1

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Wtf r u talking about? I agreed that a 224r with a 4k stall would kill a f14 with a 2800 stall and than recomended a great setup. What proof of track time slips are you wanting?

A.R. Shale Targa

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done....

2000 Knapp WS6

that cam without gears would lug around like no other. the F14 w/ 114 lsa high lift cam has a strong powerband of 2600-7000 the trq curve under the peak is amazing basically a straight line. and the horse is the same if not just a lil higher and imo the cammotion lobes are better and run smoother my friends has a f12 ill post some dyno runs when i get it in itll haul man

z99ls1

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a 224r without gears would lug lmao. Not with a 4k stall. There would be no lugging and thats for sure.

lemons12

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I have a 226 cam with a 4000, ill be the test subject!
I would absolutely embarrass your car in the 60ft if you have a 2800 converter with any cam. The f13 and f14 has impressed me in very few setups.
Fwiw I'm full weight and cut 1.50-1.52 short times barely spinning with a nitrous tune 2200+da. Find any 2800 converter ls1 car with any gears and any cam and ill paypal you 100$. An f14 with a 2800 converter is going to be a dog, period. That is a large cam, it needs a 3600+.
It is all over this board. Ask fms yourself if a 228r with a 4000 or an f14 with a 2800 would be quicker, promise they say 228r. Has nothing to do with the cam, its the converter.
What cam? A 224? Lug? Please, you would be fine with 273s.
The f series cam are definitely strong mid range runners, 30-80mph, when set up correctly. They seem to not pull so hard up top however, not compared to other similar size cams.

Knapp, I understand your logic... And on paper it stands to be correct. however, it doesn't pan out like that in the real world.

01ssreda4

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It's extremely hard arguing with a bench racer because when it makes sense on paper, it has to work that way in reality and thats simply not the case. I have own/ran-raced/driven a bunch of LS drivetrains. Dyno numbers mean exactly **** on a racetrack or the street. Like I said, a tr224/4k car would drag an f14/2800 all day everyday. Believe what you want, I have actually OWNED some of the combos you speak of

2000 Knapp WS6

wut bout the f14 with a 3200 on the 114lsa w/ a power band of 3000-7000?? ill take u word for the 2800 stall.

2000 Knapp WS6

sorry guys im not gunna arque with the more experienced i am just looking at papers and dynos but hey lemmons what gears would you use on the f14 w/ a 3200 stall in a a4?
sorry,
knapp

NC98Z

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Your probally gonna run 3.73s.

lemons12

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Same deal honestly.. Would be a bit better but you are still looking at lazy 1.7+ short times and horrible shift extensions, aka dropping out of power band afer every shift.
373s are great all around gears for an auto. I personally would leave 323s in if that's what you have until you go to a built rear. If 273s, I would upgrade to a used 342 rear. The difference in gears for an auto are minimal to non existent, the teade offs aren't worth it.

Now... Personally, I wouldn't use a 3200 in this given setup. Kind of handicapping the setup. With that size cam I recommend a 4000 converter. It will help with wife the cam has a 114 and power comes in a bit late and will keep the extensions high enough after the shift you won't "lag" until you get back into the power band.
3200 is a very small converter and almost a waste imo if you have a choice, you WILL wish you have went bigger. I promise. I suggest a minimum 3600 but strongly urge 4000. Couple that with the f14 and you will be happy with the results. If you want to go smaller on the coverter, I suggest a smaller cam.

01ssreda4

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Take the powerband recommendations with a grain of salt. They kind of give end of spectrum numbers.

lemons12

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^this.

I don't even look at what they say in those little side paragraphs. Learn a small bit about cams and know about what the true powerband will be.

2000 Knapp WS6

i just dont want to be lugging around on the street this is more of a street racer/dd than strip car for me and if i go 4000 stall the stock gears would still be fine? btw thanks fo being cool about my recent posts

lemons12

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It would be worse having a large cam, like the f14, with a small 3000 converter than it would with a larger converter. That's just going about it backwards.

I had a 4400 converter with 323s and an ms4, I drove this every single day for two years.. if it wasn't for the dumped exhaust being so loud i would say anybody could handle it.

The difference between a 4000 and a 32000 aren't that big of a difference while normal driving. Under wot there is a huge difference and well worth it.

If you are worried about the loose feeling, which is what I think you mean by lug, install some 373s and it will rememdy that.

I personally have not seen a lot of impressive f13/14 setups. However with the right converter and head combo it will run hard. No matter if you go with a 224 cam or a trex, the smallest I recommend is a 3600. Anything larger than a 230 size cam I would say 4000 or bigger.

No problem, everyone has to start somewhere. Just keep an open mind and want to learn and you will be happy with decisions.