98SSClone

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Hey guys,

As the title states, I am on a quest for 10s in my Camaro. It's a 98 NBM Camaro Z28. I just bought it as a rolling chassis. I already have an 02 LS1 to go in it.

I'm not looking to build a dyno queen. I'm wanting to build a car that will perform well at the track, but still be streetable enough to be daily driven. I have a general idea in mind, but I am welcoming all suggestions.

Here's what I was thinking...

-PRC Stg 2.5 5.3 Heads
-Custom Cam
-FAST 92/92 (If I can find them)
-36lb/hr Injectors
-Underdrive pulley
-1 7/8 LT Headers
-3" y-pipe to 4" exhaust with cutout and custom Spintech muffler
-Tubular K-Member and Control Arms
-Fiberglass Hood (Already have)
-Performabuilt Lv 2 4L60E
-3600-4000 Stall
-8.8 Rear Axle w/3.73s
-Lighter wheels
-Remove rear seats, spare tire, jack, sub box, amp, ABS module, and whatever else I can find that I don't need
-Adjustable shocks
-Upgraded suspension components (TA, LCAs, SFCs, PHR, etc...)


The car already has the SFCs welded in and has a fiberglass hood on it. Those are the only 2 things it has done to it at the moment besides a Flowmaster cat-back which will be getting changed out later on.

Also, would it be possible to keep the engine compartment somewhat stock appearing? I think the PRC heads will help with this because it's a ported stock casting. Also, I can remove the lettering on a FAST intake and paint it. Only thing that should be obvious are the headers and the ABS delete.

Keep in mind that this will be my daily, so I can go crazy with the weight reduction. Most of the stuff I listed that can be removed will only be for track days. I love my bass in my music and I like the peace of mind knowing I won't be stranded if I have a flat tire.

Anyways, sorry for the long post. I'm looking forward to hearing some suggestions. Here's a pic of the 98 Camaro and a pic of the engine still in the 02 Camaro donor car. I'll post more pics of the 98 tomorrow.

Thanks guys,

Derek

EDIT: Forgot to mention, the 98 also has a SLP lid on the airbox...

A.R. Shale Targa

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Most 346 inch NA cars that run in the tens are NOT even close to daily drivers
Streetable...perhaps but a certain level of toleration necessary. Usually they
are around 3100 to 3300lbs w/driver. 11 : 1 or more compression and have a
4400-4600 converter with 4.30 or 4.56 gears. These are general figures since
I know dozens have done it heavier w/stock heads and an M6 trans...but they
usually find mineshaft air quality that most of us don't ever see.

itsslow98

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That combo is gonna make good power but i doubt itll get you into the tens and still be a daily. Should be a solid 11.30-11.50 car though. Throw 100 shot on it and go mid 10s.

98SSClone

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Well, I'm pretty much at sea level. I live less than 2 miles from the gulf. I'm not sure about the air quality though.

How much weight reduction would be needed to get to around 3100lbs? I'm not sure what all of the stuff I mentioned weighs. I know I can drop a good 40lbs or so with the k-member and control arms. I'm not even sure what a Camaro weighs. I'm sure somewhere in the area of about 3500lbs. I know I can drop more weight with different wheels, also. I'm just not sure where I can drop 400lbs of crap without stripping the car. I will be keeping AC in the car as well.

More displacement isn't exactly out of the question. If I can find a LS2 block for a reasonable price, I would go that route and build a 402 or 408 with possibly some AFR 215s.

I'm hoping to get things done within a somewhat reasonable budget for the mods required. I don't really have a max budget, but it will take some time.

Does anyone have experience with manual brakes and the wilwood brake setup?

I'm going to upgrade the entire suspension with the chrome-moly components for the added strength and I've been told that it's lighter due to the thinner walled tubing. Probably gonna be expensive, but I'm going for quality on the buildup of the car.

I'm just hoping for it to be fairly tame on the street, but still be able to blast a 10.XX with the cutout open.

Now for the other pics of the car.

BTLD_LS1

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Granted my cam is wayyyyyy toooooooo big for my poor little motor, but I'm a mid 11 with ~stock compression ratio, 5K rated stall, and 3.42 gears (yea I know this is killing me)

01ssreda4

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Don't listen to the guys who have never done it. You can absolutely get into the 10s without a sweat with your combo above. My cam only/full weight car runs mid-11s in the heat on stock wheels. Add nice weather and a set of skinnies on the front and there is your 10.99. I have deleted nothing, and still run basically stock suspension and stock heads. So yes it can and is being done by others.

I do understand that some of the H/C 6 speed guys are still stuck in the 12s but thats their problem

1of625

Perfect suspension is the key to a 10second pass in a 4th gen with 400-450hp.

Also just my opinion and probly some others also ,,,but I do not consider a gutted car a daily driver.

Also don't forget to add a cage to your list.

Good luck.

98SSClone

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Well that's good to know. I knew I'd seen on here where people were running in the mid/low 11s with nothing more than a cam and stall.

What would you guys say as a projected ET with the setup listed in first post? I'll be running a 2-step, delay box, 15x10s with ET Streets, 15x4 skinnies, and the removed items listed above at the track.

I'm hoping for around a 1.4x-1.5x in the 60'.

I can't wait to get started on it.

98SSClone

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I never said I was going to gut the car. All I mentioned was removing the rear seats, sub, amp, spare, and jack... POSSIBLY the passenger seat... Not sure though.

When I do the suspension, I'll be going with fully adjustable items where I can. After that, it'll be just dialing it in.

01ssreda4

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You'll get into the 10s, likely high 10s, maybe 10.7x-10.9x.

The_Bishop

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What cam did you end up running? My combo is pretty close to yours and I'm contemplating a cam swap this winter.

98SSClone

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I'd kinda like to know that myself, if you don't mind sharing the information.

garygnu

talk to Patrick-G for a good cam to meet your needs.

01ssreda4

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No secret, its a Cam Motion 228/232 .612/.612 that was highly recommended by a sponsor/LS1 mechanic. It mates perfectly with my Yank SS4k and I'm shifting at 6400 or so.

Here's a couple of runs, mind you I was on the limiter between 2/3. That was a problem in the trans tune but it has been fixed so next time no limiter. The converter has more 60ft in it as well so I expect several tenths off the et next outing.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/multimedi...pics-vids.html

02sleeperz28

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This!

Mike Morris

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I too run mid 11s on stock rims,sway bars on,ac working,full interior blah blah. I will be adding lioght weight k member,bumper support,front light weight rotors from Baer to knock a tad more weight off and then ai 243 heads. I expect 10s along with a destroyed drivetrain
I think you will have a 10 second car easy

lemons12

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If it were me.. I would go ahead and go to a nicer set of heads, like AFR 215s... And a 4400 converter. I like big converters however. If you don't a 4000 would do fine. a 3600 would be difficult to get in the 1.4s, 4000 with a good setup should hit it no doubt.
That would get you tens with even less weight reduction.

A performing combo is in the heads and converter.

98SSClone

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Yeah, I wouldn't want to go any larger than a 4k stall for a daily driver. I do plan to drive the car every day.

I may end up searching for some aftermarket castings. I'd like to maybe build a 383 with AFR 215s, but that all depends on how the money is looking. As of right now, things are looking pretty good.

I'll most likely have Pat G spec a cam for me and have EPS grind it. That seems to be a proven performer. I'll just have to PM him when I actually get the parts I'm gonna use. I'm gonna scout around and try to find a used set of heads and FAST 92. I may see if I can get away with getting my LS6 intake ported for a while and see where that gets me unless I have funds readily available when a setup pops up in classifieds.

If I do decide to go with a stroker setup, what are some recommended brands for the parts? I've been looking around, and Callies seems to be a commonly used brand. Their Compstar stuff looks pretty nice, so I may go with that if I go stroker. Are there any other good companies for comparison?

01ssreda4

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Nothing to gain by porting the LS6 intake.

98SSClone

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Do you think it would restrict my setup too much if I decided to run it for a while?