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Mar 16, 2004 | 09:22 PM

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Mar 16, 2004 | 09:23 PM

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Don't forget me. 435hp

Mar 16, 2004 | 09:25 PM

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99 Firehawk M6 PP S2 5.3s 228/228 391 rwhp
99 T/A M6 PP S2 5.3s 224/224 389 rwhp
99 SS M6 PP S2 5.3s 232/232 396 rwhp
00 Z28 M6 PP S2 5.3s 228/228 394 rwhp
02 WS6 M6 PP S2 LS6 224/224 408 rwhp
99 T/A M6 PP S2 5.3s 228/230 404 rwhp
02 WS6 M6 PP S2 5.3s 231/237 405 rwhp
98 WS6 M6 PP S2 5.3s 218/222 403 rwhp
02 Z28 M6 PP S2 LS6 230/232 474 rwhp (off the shelf heads

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Patriot heads rule

To go right along with that, here's the dyno results from the few that I've been able to install when I've had time, here is every one I can remember (stock cube cars) both really good and not as good (with reasons):

-98 Z28 A4 PP S2 LS6, 238/242, 420rwhp unlocked (TSP car that went 10.77 @ 123 and 1st place in Quick Stock at the Thunder Shootout)
-99 C5 M6 TSP finished LS6, TSP grind 481 rwhp (11.1 @ 126mph at the LS1tech SBSO)
-01 C5 M6 PP S2 LS6, 238/242 450 rwhp
-01 WS6 M6 PP S2 LS6, 231/237 440 rwhp
-01 WS6 M6 PP S2 5.3L, 231/237 443 rwhp (did 413rwhp stock heads)
-02 WS6 M6 PP S2 5.3L, 231/237 445 rwhp (did 330ish before H/C)
-99 Z28 M6 PP S2 5.3L, 232/228 415 rwhp (did 280 rwhp stock!)
-00 C5 M6 PP S2 5.3L, 228/228 400 rwhp (through stock cats/mufflers, about 310 rwhp when stock)
-02 SS A4 TSP finished S2 LS6, TSP grind 448 rwhp locked before LSX intake (won 1st place F/S at LS1tech SBSO w/ 10.94 @ 122mph)
-01 Z28 A4 TSP finished S2 LS6, 238/242 410rwhp unlocked (CamaroCain's Z28 which ran 10.97 at the SBSO)

I can't remember who it was, but another car with the 231/237 and PP LS6 heads in a C5 did do 467rwhp not too long ago, I didn't do the install, but its one of the customers that had really good results that I remember reading about. Thats prob the highest 231/237 dyno that I know of too!

Mar 16, 2004 | 09:33 PM

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Patriot heads rule

Oh and we must not forget my car

01 Z28 A4 TSP/PP Race Style Heads 238/242 409 rwhp

Too bad my 10 second daily driver doesn't perform on the dyno, oh but i only dynoed 310 rwhp before the swap

Mar 16, 2004 | 09:36 PM

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Good examples there. I'm sure that you know that 238/242 is a huge cam, cars with similar "cam only" setups often dyno 420-440 cam only with that size cam or smaller, btw. Secondly, why the wildly varying results? PP heads are CNCed, right? Terry keeps saying that there is no "special set of heads", that they are all the same. How can two identical setups be off 40-50+ rwhp? How many of the above cars use off the shelf heads, as opposed to locally assembled and finished heads? Just curious, seems like the results vary wildly, which is confusing since all the heads are identical.

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Mar 16, 2004 | 09:40 PM

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Heads or cam ain't all there is. Optimizing the setup is. Good flow from intake to exhaust is the key, isn't it? My point: no one component makes or breaks the setup. Only the builder/planner does! Just my opinion.

Mar 16, 2004 | 09:46 PM

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It would be a fair comparison if every car was identical in ever other factor, but they are not. ALSO, even with CNCing, there is some variance between every head, also, note, that they are also hand finished, another place to find some variance.

Mar 16, 2004 | 09:51 PM

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Good examples there. I'm sure that you know that 238/242 is a huge cam, cars with similar "cam only" setups often dyno 420-440 cam only with that size cam or smaller, btw.

My whole point is i dont care about dyno numbers, the car is not setup to be a dyno queen, its a fun car for me to drive and as long as it puts the numbers down at the track that is all i care about.
You get one of those cars that dynos 440 cam only with the same raceweight as my car and lets run 'em at the track. Know anyone in Texas??

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Mar 16, 2004 | 09:58 PM

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The finished heads are pointed out in my list, thats why they are not identified as PP, all the others were just as anyone else would get other than the installation. If I ordered 5 sets of heads and was only installing one set locally, there wouldn't be 4 boxes that say "do not use" and one saying "use these", we'd just use whatever was there. The finished head was developed because we found some tweaks here and there that the CNC program did not have. They all added up and before you know it, its pretty much a completely different head than a CNC only head. FWIW our dyno also reads about 5rwhp lower than most according to customers that have been elsewhere to dyno the same setup.

The varying results I've seen are because although the heads may be 99% identical, not each car setup is not. There is no standardized testing you can do between 2 different cars with 2 different setups other than heads. Its the same with stock LS1's, I've seen 280rwhp stock outta one M6 car (mostly 290's though), then you see one freak do 330rwhp stock. Not every car owner wants the same exact package as the next, although that would be ideal since I can do cookie cutter h/c setups that can do within 10rwhp each time in the 440rwhp range. Not everyone has LS6 intakes, good tuning, ported TB's, underdrive pulleys, and longtubes though and those are variables that should be addressed. IMO I really think that allot of the lower dyno numbers posted are because the car owner should have finished their bolt-on mods before tearing into the engine.

Mar 16, 2004 | 10:02 PM

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Patriot heads rule

you forgot me

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98 T/A A4 PP S2 LS6 231/237 401rwhp

with tranny and converter problems, getting new dyno numbers soon

Mar 16, 2004 | 10:06 PM

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Seriously Spanky, (many others as well) you've been around here long enough to know that dynos numbers are nice on the internet, but don't mean **** at the strip. The only number that really matters is the one on the timeslip.
If I wanted a high number son the dyno sheet, but slow *** e.t.s I would buy a BPU Supra.
Ummm, didn't Mikey only put down like 450 when he ran his 1st 9? Too bad his car was so low on power, huh?

Granted George C was very light weight, but his car only threw down around 450 running 9s also.
Sorry for the rant, by all means, Patriot Bashers, pile on some more

Mar 16, 2004 | 10:10 PM

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you forgot me

lonly automatic

98 T/A A4 PP S2 LS6 231/237 401rwhp

with tranny and converter problems, getting new dyno numbers soon

I hate those damn tranny problems. Ive crushed 10 trannys in the last year.

Posthe new #`s when ya get them

Mar 16, 2004 | 10:11 PM

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you forgot me

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98 T/A A4 PP S2 LS6 231/237 401rwhp

with tranny and converter problems, getting new dyno numbers soon

What converter do you have? 401rwhp sounds about right, cam-only usually does in the 375ish range with that cam in a A4.

Mar 16, 2004 | 10:13 PM

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****, if i make 375 w/ heads & cam I'll be happy but like stated I dont have all the bolt ons so im not expecting too much dyno wise

Mar 16, 2004 | 10:18 PM

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Patriot heads rule

My car is the second from the bottom. It looks like I have the smallest cam of the bunch. I will be putting that TSP 231/237 cam in so i'll have to update those 3's soon.

Mar 16, 2004 | 10:30 PM

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Mar 16, 2004 | 10:33 PM

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Patriot heads rule

This toad is a troll. Don't know why y'all bother to respond.

Mar 16, 2004 | 10:57 PM

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What converter do you have? 401rwhp sounds about right, cam-only usually does in the 375ish range with that cam in a A4.

had a vig 3200 and sent it back and now i upped it to about vig 4000 or so and its night and day. its alot tighter then before. my 3/4 clutches burnt up also and where slipping really bad. i cant wait to get it back to the dyno.

Mar 16, 2004 | 11:30 PM

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This toad is a troll. Don't know why y'all bother to respond.

because not every noob that asks questions knows that, and this boy is the 1st to respond usually to start bashing.

Mar 16, 2004 | 11:31 PM

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This toad is a troll. Don't know why y'all bother to respond.

How does my posting results make me a troll? IMO, you are more of a troll in this thread, at least I have some knowledge and facts to post, and asked legitimate questions. Just because they are not the numbers, facts, or questions that you want to hear, does not make them "trollish" or false.

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