Hmmm....Patriot Performance
Originally Posted by Tally TransAm
the race style heads have only been out for a very short period.
i put down 405 hp and 392 ftlbs through the flowcrapper muffler. 414 hp and 400.4 ftlbs @ 5600 rpms with the caps open (dyno computer crapped out at 5600 and wouldnt work for the rest of the day, based on the previous plots it would have been in the low 420's hp and 400 ftlbs.)
et's are hindered by the stock rear and gears, but i turned 12.02 @ 120.3 on a 2.04 60' (weight of 3450 and DA of +400-500 ft). this was with my 224 cam (dynoed 390 hp and 380 ftlbs at that time). with the new cam and since i have been tuned now im shooting for 122-123 mph next time out
i put down 405 hp and 392 ftlbs through the flowcrapper muffler. 414 hp and 400.4 ftlbs @ 5600 rpms with the caps open (dyno computer crapped out at 5600 and wouldnt work for the rest of the day, based on the previous plots it would have been in the low 420's hp and 400 ftlbs.)
et's are hindered by the stock rear and gears, but i turned 12.02 @ 120.3 on a 2.04 60' (weight of 3450 and DA of +400-500 ft). this was with my 224 cam (dynoed 390 hp and 380 ftlbs at that time). with the new cam and since i have been tuned now im shooting for 122-123 mph next time out
nuff said. 
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Originally Posted by 1QWIKZ
question for you Tally
what other cars have run the times that the 3 cars at the SBSO? i am not whining, just questioning why was this event so sponser oriented. i see in your sig that you have PP 5.3s. what times have you run and what kinda power have you put down?
what other cars have run the times that the 3 cars at the SBSO? i am not whining, just questioning why was this event so sponser oriented. i see in your sig that you have PP 5.3s. what times have you run and what kinda power have you put down?
If we didn't run these heads we would still be racing our own personal cars with another setup and probably still be in the same ET area's. Its not like they are some sort of magic head, its the whole combination that matters.
Originally Posted by 1QWIKZ
what other cars have run the times that the 3 cars at the SBSO? i am not whining, just questioning why was this event so sponser oriented.
I do not have an awesome set of heads. In fact, we know mine are goofed up and don't flow as well as "they should" (long story of multiple valve jobs, multiple machinings, sunken valves, etc). They are GTP LS6. They're far from 'ringer' heads.
And my car is not a "shop" or Sponsored Car.
Thunder built the motor, yes. They helped out on pricing where they could. But I still paid a lot for the work. Well, technically, AKM Electronics is the sponsor, it 'owns' the car (ahem, tax write off). 
I am impressed with the way Lynda's and Trevor's car ran. Shows that they have paid attention to the details. I know there are a LOT of details involved to get a car to run that fast, and I respect that.
Especially since they did it with heads and cam. I feel like it took me a lot more to get there!My motor was started in October of '02 - the heads are over a year and a half "out of date". It's pretty cool to see how far things have progressed in that time. Just think. When we began work on my motor, the G5X2 cam didn't exist.
I still feel like I'm getting the bugs worked out of my setup. The pro-shifted tranny was added a week ago Saturday. That is going to be a blast to get used to - I'm still working on it. I've never been a 'fast' shifter. But I'll get there.
I'm just wondering how I might make North vs. South for a rematch, or if I have to wait until November.
ITs really about the 440o stall converters / rims / slicks / skinnines / Hals / Gears / track prep / driver / and ofcourse being Light weight among other things.
Most people have street / strip cars and are not willing to do everything necessary to make there cars work thats why there are stock internal cars running 13`s and others running mid to low 11`s. and h/c cars running from 12`s to 10`s range.
Look how great Lyndas car was running with stock internals. 11.5 ? I think. Its all in the setup more than its the hp making the lower track times.
Would these cars go faster with more hp? Sure they would if they can still hook them up. So lets not go and say hp doesnt matter at all.
I know its been said before but If you dont have the whole package you are not gonna run these times.
Congrats Guys on some great runs. I cant wait to see some times when these cars are all tweaked in with some good air.
Most people have street / strip cars and are not willing to do everything necessary to make there cars work thats why there are stock internal cars running 13`s and others running mid to low 11`s. and h/c cars running from 12`s to 10`s range.
Look how great Lyndas car was running with stock internals. 11.5 ? I think. Its all in the setup more than its the hp making the lower track times.
Would these cars go faster with more hp? Sure they would if they can still hook them up. So lets not go and say hp doesnt matter at all.
I know its been said before but If you dont have the whole package you are not gonna run these times.
Congrats Guys on some great runs. I cant wait to see some times when these cars are all tweaked in with some good air.
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Originally Posted by 1QWIKZ
nuff said.He made 414RWHP at only 5600rpm and ran over 120mph with stock gears with a small cam.
That is pretty damn good. Another low 11 high 10 second combo with 12 bolt, clutch and slicks.
I think certain people just like to complain
Originally Posted by Chris ARE 360
What is that supposed to mean?
He made 414RWHP at only 5600rpm and ran over 120mph with stock gears with a small cam.
That is pretty damn good. Another low 11 high 10 second combo with 12 bolt, clutch and slicks.
I think certain people just like to complain
He made 414RWHP at only 5600rpm and ran over 120mph with stock gears with a small cam.
That is pretty damn good. Another low 11 high 10 second combo with 12 bolt, clutch and slicks.
I think certain people just like to complain
Camaroholic, what color was your car? there were some awesome cars out there. i am still trying to figure out who had a NBM Z28 that ran a best of 9.8. that car had some sic launches.
Well if you read about Todd's problem you all know PP isn't my favorite company.....
However I would like to say congs to Terry and those who have broken into the low 11's high 10's using their heads. Looks like the sky is turning Blue for you, even though the weather was shatty.
However I would like to say congs to Terry and those who have broken into the low 11's high 10's using their heads. Looks like the sky is turning Blue for you, even though the weather was shatty.
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Originally Posted by 1QWIKZ
Camaroholic, what color was your car? there were some awesome cars out there. i am still trying to figure out who had a NBM Z28 that ran a best of 9.8. that car had some sic launches.
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Originally Posted by 1QWIKZ
what i meant was I WONT RESPOND ANY LONGER. i was not down playing his accomplishments. and we all like to complain, so quit acting like you dont chris.some more than others
Camaroholic, what color was your car? there were some awesome cars out there. i am still trying to figure out who had a NBM Z28 that ran a best of 9.8. that car had some sic launches.
Camaroholic, what color was your car? there were some awesome cars out there. i am still trying to figure out who had a NBM Z28 that ran a best of 9.8. that car had some sic launches.
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Here are some other A4 times to compare with.
11.06 @ 123.95 1.57 60ft. It hooked, but 60 ft was way off cause I made the mistake of running full exhaust. 2-3/4" xpipe to a 2 1/2" cat back. Won't make that mistake again.
11.06 @ 123.95 1.57 60ft. It hooked, but 60 ft was way off cause I made the mistake of running full exhaust. 2-3/4" xpipe to a 2 1/2" cat back. Won't make that mistake again.
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There's more to this debate than who's got the best heads out there. Like offaxis said, some of us out there don't have the combination to run 10s, like me. There are street cars and race cars. What the hell is so impressive about a gutted out car running the times I've seen posted? Nothing, IMHO. Cars with gutted interiors and just a driver's seat! Can it get any more ricey than that? I'd like to see anyone out there run 10s in a stock bottom end H/C car that weighs in at 3600 lbs and is wearing stock 16" or 17" wheels and et streets. That would be impressive.
I propose that at the next big race event the weight minimum be 3600 lbs for F-bodies, stock wheels and full interiors, no balast. Let's see how many cars are in the 10s.
The 3600 lb weight would also give us H/C street car guys a fighting chance.
I propose that at the next big race event the weight minimum be 3600 lbs for F-bodies, stock wheels and full interiors, no balast. Let's see how many cars are in the 10s.
The 3600 lb weight would also give us H/C street car guys a fighting chance.
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Originally Posted by Camaroholic
Mine's a NBM Z. But the car you're thinking of is probably Jeff's (BADZ here on the board). His is NBM with a cowl hood, and runs around that time range. Mine's never been that fast.
hey camaroholic, i sent you a PM with a few questions
Originally Posted by 1QWIKZ
naw, this dude didnt have a cowl hood...was it 1BADZ? MTI mike?
hey camaroholic, i sent you a PM with a few questions
hey camaroholic, i sent you a PM with a few questions
Sometimes I wonder if people even read posts here
I spent a bunch of time combing and compiling dyno results for my own info, but posted in response to a post like this before. In short, I found dynos for TEA from 399 to 455, for Absolute from 405 to 504, and so on. Is this the consistency you are talking about?
Originally Posted by 1QWIKZ
if you had consistent results like the companies i mentioned, there would be less skepticism.
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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer
The 3600 lb weight would also give us H/C street car guys a fighting chance.
I ran 11.30@122mph with ET streets on stock rims granny shifting with a raceweight of 3550 pounds. (All seats in the car plus 6 point cage, 12 bolt etc. Skinnies on the front though)
Went to slicks and powershifted to 11.1@124 at 3514 pounds. I have 14 extra cubes but I know stock bottom end guys that have run 11.1-11.3's@120-122mph plus at 3600 pounds easily
Terry offers some of the best support in the industry. He stands behind his product and will go out of his way to work with you and make sure things are right. This guy is the real deal. Please don't change Terry!
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Why not Chris? Offaxis ran 11.4 at 119 on 245 Nittos, with less HP than he's making now. 3600 lbs, no front sway bar, 3.42s, Vig 4000.
Race cars don't do a damn thing for me. Very one dimensional. I like fast street cars. Besides, not all of us want to gut our cars and dump alot of money into tubular K-frames, a arms, coil overs and light weight (ie: useless on the street) racing brakes. I can build my 98 into a trailer queen and use my 02 as my street car, but I din't see the point right now. I was thinking about gutting my 98 (air bags, bumpers, door beams, etc), but I got into a pretty bad accident a week and a half ago in my daily driver. A lady who, and I quote, " was drinking Southern Comfort and doing cocaine all night ", was speeding in the rain, lost control of her car and plowed into my car, changed all that. Thank God for the air bag in my lil Buick.
Most of the fast 10 sec cars on these BBs are race cars proported to be street cars. Yeah, they get driven on the street now and again, but I don't consider a car w/o bumpers and missing seats a street car. Bring the weight minimum to 3600 lbs ( w/o balast ) and you'd see alot more cars turning out for the big LS1 racing events. Some of these street cars might even teach the race cars a thing or two. If this is not an option, then let's start a new class for the H/C guys out there. There's far more H/C street cars out there than gutted race cars.
Race cars don't do a damn thing for me. Very one dimensional. I like fast street cars. Besides, not all of us want to gut our cars and dump alot of money into tubular K-frames, a arms, coil overs and light weight (ie: useless on the street) racing brakes. I can build my 98 into a trailer queen and use my 02 as my street car, but I din't see the point right now. I was thinking about gutting my 98 (air bags, bumpers, door beams, etc), but I got into a pretty bad accident a week and a half ago in my daily driver. A lady who, and I quote, " was drinking Southern Comfort and doing cocaine all night ", was speeding in the rain, lost control of her car and plowed into my car, changed all that. Thank God for the air bag in my lil Buick.
Most of the fast 10 sec cars on these BBs are race cars proported to be street cars. Yeah, they get driven on the street now and again, but I don't consider a car w/o bumpers and missing seats a street car. Bring the weight minimum to 3600 lbs ( w/o balast ) and you'd see alot more cars turning out for the big LS1 racing events. Some of these street cars might even teach the race cars a thing or two. If this is not an option, then let's start a new class for the H/C guys out there. There's far more H/C street cars out there than gutted race cars.
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