Grr

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example would be roughly 10.88 vs 11.15, though you do save $140 and gain a little PTV clearance

intenseblue

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Couple tenths. With a thinner gasket you gain a better quench distance that along with the increased compression also decreases the likelyhood of knock. One of the very few items in an engine build where you can have your cake and eat it too. It's probably worth 5-10 horsepower by itself. It baffles me as to why people say not to do it. HP-dollar ratio of this CHEAP item is as high as anything youll invest in besides nitrous If you're as serious as you sounded in your first post don't skimp, especially on the tiny things because thats what you'll kick yourself later for.

And taking 5ccs out of your pistons is gonna take a hell of a toll on your compression. Might wanna think about which route you need to go, but IMO a with the shift area you're looking at you shouldn't need a donkey cam for what you're wanting.

PREDATOR-Z

.080 intake/exhaust is enough.

JakeFusion

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Running the thinner gasket and flycutting is the easiest way to get numbers that are good and not "disappointing." It's all the little things that add up... proper lifter preload, proper valvetrain geometry, proper quench, enough compression/dynamic compression for a given camshaft, port matching the intake manifold... Couple of HP here or there starts to add up and most of it is "free hp" from a proper/optimized install.

JustAFooL

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I'll measure and take out accordingly. I didn't know though that fly-cutting decreased compression, makes sense I guess.. The Comp cam is starting to look a little better..

intenseblue

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.013 is .013 whether its from the heads or the gasket. To achieve the same compression ratio the same amount of removal is used. The thinner gasket is the better way to do it.

JakeFusion

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.080 I/E will net you around a 1cc "dish" in the piston that you can factor into your compression and dynamic compression calculations.

JustAFooL

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Do you guys think the benefits of swapping cams from a 224/230 comp which will yield low end compression and give me good low end will benefit from a bigger cam such as the MS3?? Im running a 3500TCI with 3.73 gears.

I'm looking for a hot street car that will make good numbers at track IF I decide to take it there.. I'm open to all opinions but just don't know if the juice is worth the squeeze..

bww3588

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There are better cams out there that will give you what your looking for while being smaller than the ms3. I would look into the torquer v2.

JustAFooL

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I'll look into anything that will help idle and power.. Who gives a damn about street manners on a street toy??

JakeFusion

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Because a cam with good street manners will be a better match for your TCI 3500/3.73 combo. You still need to make power throughout the powerband, and something in the 226/234 or 230/238 range would work fine for you and make plenty of avg power that your current combo could use effectively.

Would they give up some to something like an MS3? Yes - but probably no more than 10rwhp while gaining torque everywhere below 5500.

bww3588

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Exactly. The ms series of cams are peak cams ment to make power up top. Unless you plan to be hammer down at every stop light, you will be happier with a cam like mentioned above. The torquer series will give you excellent power up top still, (not as much as an ms3 or 4) and will give you useable power at low and mid range rpm's to give it good street manners.

I had an ms4 in my ls1, and anything below half throttle and 4k rpm's was worthless. But damn did it pull like a freight train up top.

intenseblue

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......post edited......posted what I though was a reply to a different thread......

JustAFooL

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Good advice from everyone and I'll keep it all in mind. I may end up sticking with my cam in the long run, I think that the heads and intake swap will give me a big enough boost in power to keep me happy till next winter. But, I'll also keep my eyes out for a good deal on a tad bigger cam. If I knew my tuner could manipulate my idle to make the 114lsa sound a little better, I wouldn't be so concerned with it anyways..

Cosmos

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Sounds like your car wasn't set up for a big cam if it was worthless under 4k.

bww3588

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Setup just fine. Small cubes, big cam. Happens every day. If I had it to do over, I would have picked a more sensible cam.

And by worthless, I mean not worth having. It was more sluggish and cumbersome just cruising around than a smaller cam would be, but it ran like hell at wot.

'99REDTA

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I know I'm bumping an old thread but seemed wiser than waisting space with a new one since this man already got his answer.

I have a very similar question, I just bought a tsp224r and was planning on just throwing it in in a month or so and getting a tune but just found out my head gasket is leaking so I decided I'd do heads while I'm at it. I have 853s right now and am looking at getting a set of 799s milled to 59cc, with that cam and milled head combo is there a high chance that I will need to flycut at all? I'm going to check if I go that route anyway I just want to see if it's worth the hassle. And what kind of compression would I be looking at then if anybody just knows.

Thanks