How would you have this built block fixed?
11-29-2012, 08:21 AM
#41
Got an update...
Looks like the oil rings broke and that is what caused the scraping. They probably butted together and had no where to go and thus shattered. Obviously from not enough gap. However, it says right in the Wiseco documentation that you can install the oil rings without checking the gap, so I am not sure who is at fault now. It says the minimum is .010 and that is how it comes from Wiseco. Should I run them at .015 or even larger?
Looks like the oil rings broke and that is what caused the scraping. They probably butted together and had no where to go and thus shattered. Obviously from not enough gap. However, it says right in the Wiseco documentation that you can install the oil rings without checking the gap, so I am not sure who is at fault now. It says the minimum is .010 and that is how it comes from Wiseco. Should I run them at .015 or even larger?
12-03-2012, 03:09 PM
#47
Yeah after further research, this is really the only thing that would cause that. Or they could have fractured it unknowingly with a ring expander.
Anyway, the motor should be done in a week or so, I dropped off the replacement block last week. The car should be fired up again in two weeks so I will update the thread. I will probably check plugs every trip to and from work (30 miles).
I am giving them the benefit of the doubt because I spoke to a few people who had motors done by them with no issues. **** happens, so I am hoping this was just a one time mistake. (crosses fingers)
12-03-2012, 04:17 PM
#48
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Not trying to stir up sheeet but honestly if someone had look at the cylinder walls after putting this together you would have seen damage from the broken rings even before the engine was finnished or run. Don't let it happen twice, Look carefully at the cylinder wallsc BEFORe the heads go on.
Another tip i'll give up is as I put each piston in and attach the rod to crank after each one I turn the engine over. If it doesn't turn over smooth and free it gets pulled back apart. You get a feel for how it should feel and sound as you go,............when you jam A piston in breaking the oil rings I can tell you without a doubt its gonna sound bad and turn hard.
Anyone tells you they put a piston in a bore and didn't realize they broke the rings is either smokin crack or shouldn't be putting engines together.
Don't bend over a second time!
Another tip i'll give up is as I put each piston in and attach the rod to crank after each one I turn the engine over. If it doesn't turn over smooth and free it gets pulled back apart. You get a feel for how it should feel and sound as you go,............when you jam A piston in breaking the oil rings I can tell you without a doubt its gonna sound bad and turn hard.
Anyone tells you they put a piston in a bore and didn't realize they broke the rings is either smokin crack or shouldn't be putting engines together.
Don't bend over a second time!
Last edited by Camaroo1; 12-03-2012 at 04:23 PM.
12-03-2012, 04:33 PM
#49
Not trying to stir up sheeet but honestly if someone had look at the cylinder walls after putting this together you would have seen damage from the broken rings even before the engine was finnished or run. Don't let it happen twice, Look carefully at the cylinder wallsc BEFORe the heads go on.
Another tip i'll give up is as I put each piston in and attach the rod to crank after each one I turn the engine over. If it doesn't turn over smooth and free it gets pulled back apart. You get a feel for how it should feel and sound as you go,............when you jam A piston in breaking the oil rings I can tell you without a doubt its gonna sound bad and turn hard.
Anyone tells you they put a piston in a bore and didn't realize they broke the rings is either smokin crack or shouldn't be putting engines together.
Don't bend over a second time!
Another tip i'll give up is as I put each piston in and attach the rod to crank after each one I turn the engine over. If it doesn't turn over smooth and free it gets pulled back apart. You get a feel for how it should feel and sound as you go,............when you jam A piston in breaking the oil rings I can tell you without a doubt its gonna sound bad and turn hard.
Anyone tells you they put a piston in a bore and didn't realize they broke the rings is either smokin crack or shouldn't be putting engines together.
Don't bend over a second time!
12-24-2012, 10:23 AM
#51
I don't mean to kick a dead horse here that doesn't look like improperly installed rings to me. Those scrapes look like piston skirt contact. Something I unfortunately know too much about, having built a number of strokers.
From those of you who seem to think it's a torque plate issue, I would be curious to know why? I'm a new arrival at the LS game, and I would like to know what I missed when looking at the pics.
C.G.
From those of you who seem to think it's a torque plate issue, I would be curious to know why? I'm a new arrival at the LS game, and I would like to know what I missed when looking at the pics.
C.G.
01-09-2013, 01:13 PM
#53
I don't mean to kick a dead horse here that doesn't look like improperly installed rings to me. Those scrapes look like piston skirt contact. Something I unfortunately know too much about, having built a number of strokers.
From those of you who seem to think it's a torque plate issue, I would be curious to know why? I'm a new arrival at the LS game, and I would like to know what I missed when looking at the pics.
C.G.
From those of you who seem to think it's a torque plate issue, I would be curious to know why? I'm a new arrival at the LS game, and I would like to know what I missed when looking at the pics.
C.G.
Crossing my fingers.
01-18-2013, 06:53 PM
#56
Got an update...
Looks like the oil rings broke and that is what caused the scraping. They probably butted together and had no where to go and thus shattered. Obviously from not enough gap. However, it says right in the Wiseco documentation that you can install the oil rings without checking the gap, so I am not sure who is at fault now. It says the minimum is .010 and that is how it comes from Wiseco. Should I run them at .015 or even larger?
Looks like the oil rings broke and that is what caused the scraping. They probably butted together and had no where to go and thus shattered. Obviously from not enough gap. However, it says right in the Wiseco documentation that you can install the oil rings without checking the gap, so I am not sure who is at fault now. It says the minimum is .010 and that is how it comes from Wiseco. Should I run them at .015 or even larger?
01-20-2013, 12:15 AM
#58
I wouldn't even start it, its just going to tear itself up and cost you more money and time.
You need to have someone that knows what the fawk there doing look it over, and see whats cool and going to last. And whats hacked the fawk up and get it fixed for real.
You need to have someone that knows what the fawk there doing look it over, and see whats cool and going to last. And whats hacked the fawk up and get it fixed for real.
01-21-2013, 08:17 AM
#59
Here is first start. Quiet as a mouse. 30 miles so far and no smoke. Before it smoked the first WOT run.
