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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by chrs1313
Haha take it easy on him

I would take the compression drop from a .013 flycut vs a compression going from a .040 cometic to a stock .053"

Just stirring the pot, :brew:

Wanna make more power, mill, flycut and then add a thinner gasket, free hp
I dont mean to bust anyones *****, im just sayin'.

I don't know about a .013" flycut (seems shallow), but a .150" on the intake and exhaust is within 1cc of a .012" thicker headgasket, but I'd take the flycut over the headgasket to keep quench tight.
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by KCS
I dont mean to bust anyones *****, im just sayin'.

I don't know about a .013" flycut (seems shallow), but a .150" on the intake and exhaust is within 1cc of a .012" thicker headgasket, but I'd take the flycut over the headgasket to keep quench tight.
150 your nuts!!!!!!! The most I would go is 130. And a 130 cut is not a true 130. Remember angle and surface of the cutting is not making full contact with the piston face only a smal part of it is. So .130 is only the travel of the deepest part of the cut. Then tapers off. So you really don't lose much. Everyone that flycuts does it for peace of mind. I say check how close it is and if its less then 65 cut it even if its only a hair.
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 98blueSScamaro
150 your nuts!!!!!!! The most I would go is 130. And a 130 cut is not a true 130. Remember angle and surface of the cutting is not making full contact with the piston face only a smal part of it is. So .130 is only the travel of the deepest part of the cut. Then tapers off. So you really don't lose much. Everyone that flycuts does it for peace of mind. I say check how close it is and if its less then 65 cut it even if its only a hair.
Yes I know. I actually flycut pistons myself on a horizontal mill. A .150" deep flycut is roughly 3cc's depending on the diameter of the flycut needed for radial clearance. The difference between a .040" thick and a .052" thick headgasket with a 3.910" bore is roughly 2.55cc's, so its pretty close.
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dr_whigham
B/C we're trying to get our post count up like you

All I'm saying is with larger valves, the same valve angle & the same CC, I was able to run a larger cam. If you take the time to read my last sentence, you'll also see where I explicitly state to MEASURE.
I agree measuring is the best bet and looks especially important in this particular case.
I stand by the idea that different casting makes the comparison invalid though. So you had the same valve angle and a larger valve but was the valveseat at the same depth? Did it take the same depth of milling to hit the chamber volume?

Originally Posted by 98blueSScamaro
well let's see bigger chamber or reworked from stock means more cc's. SO more cc's mean you haveto mill the head more to get the cc's down to what you want. and with doing just that you bring the valve closer to the piston.
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Are the chambers machined? If they are then it is that much more milling that had to be done to get them down to 59cc and that much less PTV you would have because of such.

Guessing you think they are PRC stage 2.5 as those are popular????? in which case they also have slightly larger valves too further limiting PTV
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 09:28 PM
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I'm running a 234/240 .576 .589 cam with my Patriot heads that are 59cc
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 09:53 AM
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Just measure and forget all this internet bickering.
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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 06:19 AM
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56cc 243s here,trex cam,51 gasket,.100 cut int an exh,just notch them an blend the cuts
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Originally Posted by KCS
What do think happens when you cut valve reliefs?
True, but flycutting adds the area only right at the valves, not across the entire surface area of the piston. Therefore more cam can be had with flycutting rather then a thicker gasket and more PTV clearance at the same time. Cutting reliefs is a better way to go.

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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 98blueSScamaro
or just rent the tool from chrs1313 and do ityour self
Indeed, thats what I did. Very easy. But flycutting pistons seems to scare a lot of people.
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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by R6cowboy
Indeed, thats what I did. Very easy. But flycutting pistons seems to scare a lot of people.
funny seems to be the people that know nothing about it or the people that cant do it them self's........
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Originally Posted by 98blueSScamaro
funny seems to be the people that know nothing about it or the people that cant do it them self's........
Funny..., that's exactly what I mean. Seems there are a lot of people that don't know anything about flycutting, haven't even heard of it before or don't know it can be done safely to their engine. And because they don't know anything about it or haven't been educated about it at all, cutting notches in their pistons sounds a little scary to them. Also flycutting pistons in the garage seems to be a task a lot of people who have never done it before aren't very confident doing themselves.
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Originally Posted by R6cowboy
True, but flycutting adds the area only right at the valves, not across the entire surface area of the piston. Therefore more cam can be had with flycutting rather then a thicker gasket and more PTV clearance at the same time. Cutting reliefs is a better way to go.
I wasn't arguing which was better, I actually already said I would prefer flycutting.
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I cced my 2.10 and 1.66 cuts that were .110 deep each and measured a total 1.1-1.2cc's together

I also modeled it in 3D and it was identical
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Originally Posted by chrs1313
I cced my 2.10 and 1.66 cuts that were .110 deep each and measured a total 1.1-1.2cc's together

I also modeled it in 3D and it was identical
Is that the diameter you're running with a 2.04" valve?!
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