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04-18-2013, 03:02 AM
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"pos" compared to the same engine with an MS4 and good heads to flow 7k+ is what I meant. I'm just saying he can get similar max results with better street manners with a smaller cam. And the cams I mentioned have gotten people to his 425RWHP goal while also responding well to N2O
04-18-2013, 03:09 AM
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Yup, it sure will.
However... This is NOT a budget build cam, PERIOD. You can take a 228R in a budget car and make it run better and more reliable than an MS4 in a budget car. I have had both types of setups, small cams are WAY more budget friendly for many reasons and can run just as good with the right mod approach.
I knew what was needed for the MS3 but bought it anyways. Sometimes you have to learn the hard way.
Here is the trick to donkey dick cams... You can't take an approach of wanting good gas mileage/street manners so you go with a 3600 converter and 373s... You can't not afford a FAST and go ls6 intake... You can't slap some heads on that leave you at stock CR... Etc... To make it work, EVERYTHING has to be max effort because that cam is max effort.
Most donkey dick cams are setup like you would set up a 228 cam car so they perform horrible. Set them up right and they are some nasty combos.
Most donkey dick cams are setup like you would set up a 228 cam car so they perform horrible. Set them up right and they are some nasty combos.
04-18-2013, 06:15 AM
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you are right , u dont Have to get a rocker upgrade .guess u havent had a rocker come apart and put needle bearings in your motor , how is it bad advice telling him to check ptv clearance.he may not feel the clearances are enough . (bounce a valve and he will see) . did u read my other posts guess not .i like to do it once and not chase a bunch of problems .i see u changed your cam lol . that cam is not going to support a stock setup. it may work dont mean it will be the right choice.trolls , trolls everywhere
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04-18-2013, 10:43 AM
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Everyone is going to have their own opinion on what they think is best or whatever. Sure there is always going to be something better, but as far as the MS4 goes, I thought it was a very good cam, big for sure, but I loved the sound, the car pulled hard, and worked for an off the shelf cam. I had no PTV clearance issues along with most others, but sure it doesn't hurt to check. Car had 3.23 gears and 853 heads, car went 7.50's in the 1/8. put a set of heads on the car, made 418 to the tire thru a S60 and a 350 turbo. Put 150 to it thru a plate and the car went 6.5 with alot more left in it. So yes the cam does work, just gotta put it all together like u want.
04-18-2013, 10:46 AM
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That's why I said I didn't explain myself ! My bad ! The wife knows and will pay for the converter and long tubes / off road pipe . The 3000 she don't know about 
it's for intake throttle body cam /springs oil pump timing chain and if necessary some Texas speed ported heads at around 1000 $ but if not needed till next summer after swap then I will put that grand in suspension on camaro the block will get machine shopped after removed from car and then put in Sonoma the car is hers that ls1 will get necessary mods while in machine shop that's a different budget my bonus at the end of the year will do the machine work and harness as well as mounts and long tubes for truck with her I approach it like its better to ask for forgiveness than permission lol thanks I'm listening to all !
it's for intake throttle body cam /springs oil pump timing chain and if necessary some Texas speed ported heads at around 1000 $ but if not needed till next summer after swap then I will put that grand in suspension on camaro the block will get machine shopped after removed from car and then put in Sonoma the car is hers that ls1 will get necessary mods while in machine shop that's a different budget my bonus at the end of the year will do the machine work and harness as well as mounts and long tubes for truck with her I approach it like its better to ask for forgiveness than permission lol thanks I'm listening to all !
04-18-2013, 11:01 AM
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That cam won't get put in till the fulcrum gets new bearings and the pushrods will be replaced as well I am going to do the work in my garage minus machine work and hope to have fun this summer with car I live on 1-70 and want to play :-D the car is going to get low compression I guess with 6.0 heads that's why I eBay bought those 6 liters it will also be stroked with rear mount turbo she's going to pay for car figure she will spend 10000 on it am still looking at maybe pro charger or maybe even whipple for the car but my truck will get high compression balanced dyno/ tuned this winter NOZ and the intake will be aftermarket with direct port bosses once in truck it will be no big deal for me to remove and reinstall that car is a pain to do that for me in my shop I don't have a lift am going to pot luck the info received on this site
04-18-2013, 03:16 PM
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No the ls1 is for me with ms4 and necessary mods the car will have turbo and be driven daily that motor with boost will be about 10000 in long block and setup I already have a turbo some ball bearing pretty big 4 bolt gerret I think nice used I bought for 300 turbo alone my truck will be sprayed a ton till blown its cheap to replace direct setup with like maybe 2 stages of 50 then 100 something like that
04-18-2013, 04:12 PM
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Here's how you do it right. Idk why this isn't stickied. Pat G is awesome for posting this:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...heads-cam.html
This is his daily driver.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...heads-cam.html
This is his daily driver.
04-18-2013, 04:42 PM
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And TSP has an article back in 09 that shows way more than I want in a bone stock arrangement so that is enough for me ! I am new to LS but not to going fast by no means !
04-18-2013, 04:47 PM
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And as far as an English class I am not a geek or texter to busy running a multimillion dollar division of an oil exploration company cashing in on my 6 figure bonuses lol !?
04-18-2013, 04:58 PM
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And when I said NOZ till blown I meant just that I will mill the heads and have the eye lashes cut out while at the machine shop as well as head studs gaskets rings with proper gaps I might even take it to Lubbock and have the guys who built the damn thing do the work trip to Texas tax ride off for me while partying with the Big Oil Dudes perks are great at the moment with 100 $ oil thanks for your passion !?