Jamescassy

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Is the ms4 to big for my 00 z28 auto with 342 gears ?

LS5.3stang

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do u have a stall, need more info on your car , going off what u have posted i would say yes

Jamescassy

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It's not a daily driver just for fun will eventually be moved to my Sonoma that is already dressed with 10 bolt and 411s will do oil pump timing chain and ms4 first with good springs then converter and tune play with the car this summer then swap to truck this winter after that the car will get some kind of stroker lead sled that it is

LS5.3stang

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u will PTV issues with that cam . it will run like a dog without supporting mods. i would go something smaller.

Jamescassy

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What other than ls6 intake ported stock mas air

LS5.3stang

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u will need springs , rocker upgrade ,more gear, 4000 stall etc

Jamescassy

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Thanks I'm going to get all that for sure and it's a stock piece now ! For 350 bucks I'm going to go ahead and get long tubes in the car for interstate fun along with off road y pipe and extensions for long tubes

Jamescassy

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O2 extensions all that work done with motor in car then this winter when it comes out ill pull apart short block and spend a little dough on it before moving it to the truck that is going to also get brp long tubes and brp mounts so I don't have to cut frame or change oil pan just relocate alternator it was old school v8 truck have separate harness and computer that will be modified by current performance

Jamescassy

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It's really just a donar car for now the truck is done nice with c clip eliminators strange axles and auborn posi has already went 10.9 with 406 roller cam with glide but I want to drive it to the track so what is a little smaller or can I make that ms4 work

redbird555

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why do you want an ms4? I sounds all wrong for your application. in the z28 with a big 4000+ stall it will do ok but it will be a dog down low and scream to 7k....couple that with a heavy truck and it just wont be a good combo. go with something in the low 230's duration you get nice torque and good power at a useable rpm

Jamescassy

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Thanks for advise I am going to build this around an icon of a bump stick want it to be proven grind so the numbers should already be there for my application and the article I read is about that cam my Sonoma is 95 model set up well and not at all heavy like 2600 with me and full tank 411 setup nice want to push stock cubes all the way to like 425 or so at the wheels then spray a little in any needed situation lol all motor unless needed will get intake setup to breath and headers that will as well not going to do much more than have to in truck because its set up to stomp my camaro the car needs much more to go fast I love this stuff awesome ls1 tech

2000PewterT/A

I would call a sponsor and have them give you a cam that will match your goals and application. To many times I see people always going for the biggest cam they can toss in an engine which is not the right way to do it. Research and buy parts that work together.

Jamescassy

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I should have asked different because I am going to put it together around that cam with the parts it was designed for around it light weight car with gears headers intake cam heads are the same ones that were on the motor in the test with that cam so not the wrong cam at all ill see you in the 10 s and drive it there thanks but ill listen to the dudes that built the cam down there in Lubbock appreciate the help but definitely not just throwing the biggest cam I can find in there blind

roninsonic

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MS4 is a mighty bumpy stick for an otherwise car... It'll run like *** and you WON'T enjoy yourself.

Jamescassy

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2300-6800 with 10 to 1 comp and 411 gears with ls6 intake and good flow with strong springs not at all a daily driver those guys say they built that cam for budget build with lots of stock stuff and I don't plan on stopping just ending up wrapped around that cam I have my truck ou YouTube under jamescassy it's awesome and has been put on the trailer because if no roll age at Amarillo and Greatbend with less than I'm going to have in it thanks I think I figured out that this is my cam I'm going to spend around 3000 on intake system headers injectors rails fuel pump converter and whatever it takes to enjoy and will keep adding to get more pleasure just explained myself wrong sorry

94 White T/A

you can make those goals with a much smaller cam. A 224r will get you close and they love nitrous. a 228r or 228/232 cam will get you there for sure and still have power under the curve. the MS4 will be a pos in a stock headed engine

Jamescassy

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Awesome thanks might have to try but not limited to any thing my buddy would buy that cam if I tried it and wanted to later step up after getting some heads he's got too much $ for his own good lol

lemons12

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It will clear stock heads just fine.

I ran 7.5@93mph with Ms4, 4000 VIG, 323s (stock) lid and full exhaust... I wouldn't call that a dog by any means... Those times were stock ls1 intake/stock ls1 heads.
I then added heads/ported FAST/410s/weight reduction and spinning my *** off with a nitrous tune I ran 7.2s@97mph.
Why do you have to have a rocker upgrade?

323s will get the job done... You don't need to match gears to a cam anyway, you need to match it with RPM crossing the line and tire combo.

You want the best advice I can get.. Get this cam some compression! Flycut the pistons and get it as high as you can. Big cams + compression = nasty combo.

However... This is NOT a budget build cam, PERIOD. You can take a 228R in a budget car and make it run better and more reliable than an MS4 in a budget car. I have had both types of setups, small cams are WAY more budget friendly for many reasons and can run just as good with the right mod approach.

The Ms4 is not a POS in a stock headed car.. I raped several H/C cars when I was cam only with the Ms4.



Here is the trick to donkey dick cams... You can't take an approach of wanting good gas mileage/street manners so you go with a 3600 converter and 373s... You can't not afford a FAST and go ls6 intake... You can't slap some heads on that leave you at stock CR... Etc... To make it work, EVERYTHING has to be max effort because that cam is max effort.

Most donkey dick cams are setup like you would set up a 228 cam car so they perform horrible. Set them up right and they are some nasty combos.

Jamescassy

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That sounds like something I'd say after reading about these motors ill end up doing a lot just in chunks but if you watch James Cassy ls1 video you will see why I've got around 15000 in my rolling chassis not including donar car another 5000 and have 2003 donar truck with 4.8 also have 2 - 6.0s all with computers and 3000 in my account for this build so ill later con the wife out of more and then the camaro will get the turbo and some high dollar stuff they will both be fast I spent too much yes but I love it

94 White T/A

"pos" compared to the same engine with an MS4 and good heads to flow 7k+ is what I meant. I'm just saying he can get similar max results with better street manners with a smaller cam. And the cams I mentioned have gotten people to his 425RWHP goal while also responding well to N2O