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Old 05-01-2013, 12:43 PM   #1
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These beauties arrived to me via UPS on Monday. I think these heads are going to complement my current setup nicely. I've already got long tubes, 3 inch true dual exhaust, SLP lid and the Tick Performance SNS Torque Max Stage 2 cam. Without being dyno'd, my tuner is pretty confident that I'm sitting right at 400rwhp/400rwtq, so I'm hoping the heads will add another 40 to 50 rwhp. I had Phil mill the heads down to 60.5cc, which puts me right at 11.25:1 compression. I want to thank Phil at Advanced Induction for his outstanding customer service. We exchanged countless e-mails and he ALWAYS replied back to me within 24 hours. He's a great guy to work with and I'd do business with him again in a heartbeat. I will keep this THREAD updated once the heads are put on. After the heads are on and the tune is tweaked, I will have the car dyno'd. Anyway, enough talk. Here are the pics.








































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Looking good! Ive been torn with either grabbing a set of 243's for AI 226 port or this new release Dart 223.
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Looking good! Ive been torn with either grabbing a set of 243's for AI 226 port or this new release Dart 223.
You'll save money by going the AI Dart/RHS route. If you don't already have 243/799 heads, then you're going to dish out at least $400 for them, plus what you have to pay AI for the port work. Phil at AI told me that these Dart/RHS heads will be good for at least 10hp over the AI 226cc or 232cc 243/799 heads. Here is exactly what Phil put in an e-mail he sent to me:

From: Sales @ Advanced Induction [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 10:01 AM
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Subject: RE: Head Repair needed on my LS1 AFR 205cc Heads

The Dart head has a more efficient chamber design & exhaust port. In theory with all things being equal, it will be up 10-15 over our 232 GM. However, you must keep in mind that your individual set-up may make more or less depending on your inlet/exhaust setup as well as tuning. Most times the used cores are fine. It is rare we see cores that have been butchered up or need bolt hole thread repair.

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I got my 243's for $325 with z06 valves. The port job was $999. Cheaper but you're right, I'm sure the DARTs are superior heads. Looking good! Congrats! When are you starting the build?
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Awesome. Let me ask you this Rise, did you inquire about PM guides at all? I see it listed as an option on their website but no price. Are you using stock rockers with these or what?
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I got my 243's for $325 with z06 valves. The port job was $999. Cheaper but you're right, I'm sure the DARTs are superior heads. Looking good! Congrats! When are you starting the build?
The heads and Monster Stage 3 clutch/Tick Master should be going in next week. All the other stuff is already on the car.

Forgot to add that Accel 44lb/hr injectors will be going on as well.

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Awesome. Let me ask you this Rise, did you inquire about PM guides at all? I see it listed as an option on their website but no price. Are you using stock rockers with these or what?
PM guides are not an option at this time, but could be in the future. I will be running stock rockers.
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I also want to add that I'm glad to be the first person on here to try out these heads. I'm really suprised that no one else has run them yet, or at least posted up that they are running them. Well, let me take that back; I'm not really suprised at all, as it seems like people are afraid to try new things. AI has a great reputation for putting out great heads that make killer numbers and run low ET's, so when Phil said these heads are going be be better than their coveted CNC'd 243/799 heads, it was a win win in my book. I think that once people see this Thread and see that the heads perform the way Phil says they will, these heads will be flying off their shelf.
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Keep us posted! They look great.
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very nice. but i already have my 799 waiting to send to AI. love seeing different products.
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Since those have bronze?valve guides wouldnt it be better to run a roller tip rocker for wear issues? Very curious to see your results!
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Looks good!

Nobody runs them because when Dart first came out there were pretty bad QC issues with aftermarket ported versions of it. RHS bought up the Dart design (or maybe even Dart itself) and is selling these. I'm sure Ai has no such QC issues, but that killed them in the LS1 world back 6 years ago.
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Looking shiny.
I saw that you send them AFR 205s for repair. What was wrong with them??

With the lifts on your cam, you'll have premature guide wear (stock rockers). I would reconsider if I were you.
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With the lifts on your cam, you'll have premature guide wear (stock rockers). I would reconsider if I were you.
Thats what I was thinking..
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Cam lift is something like .617 intake and .620 exhaust. I bought the over 3 years ago and haven't even put 2,000 miles on it since then. I will be driving the car more once all these mods are done, but it's only a weekend/nice weather car, so I'm not concerned about premature wear.
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Have had a set of Dart 205s since 2006. No issues, running stock or aftermarket rockers. Old cam.worked fine, new SNS Tick 2 mild is running like a champ.
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Nice heads. Can't wait to see what they put down
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Have had a set of Dart 205s since 2006. No issues, running stock or aftermarket rockers. Old cam.worked fine, new SNS Tick 2 mild is running like a champ.
If you've already got the Dart/RHS castings, you can send them into Advanced Induction and get the 223cc CNC port job done. I know it's quite a bit cheaper for just the port work.
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It something ive thought of down the road. Too many ideas going through my head for whats next. Im overall happy with the setup so just gonna ride it out lol.
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Looks good!

Nobody runs them because when Dart first came out there were pretty bad QC issues with aftermarket ported versions of it. RHS bought up the Dart design (or maybe even Dart itself) and is selling these. I'm sure Ai has no such QC issues, but that killed them in the LS1 world back 6 years ago.
RHS is not supplying these cores at this time. Dart is. At least that is what Phil told me a 4-5 weeks ago.
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