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Old Apr 24, 2004 | 05:22 PM
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I went to install ARP head studs i had in my old ls1 alum block into new 6.0L shortblock, and you can only thread them in about 2 turns by hand, then have to use an allen to slowly work them down into the block.

It took about 5 minutes each to do 2 studs so far. every stud was like this, would only thread in a few turns by hand then you can try and use the allen to slowly work them into the block (by tightening/untightening and they slowly work thier way down).


Any possibilities on why?? The threads seem clean as they can get. I put a bit of oil on each stud to lubricate it just a bit. I'll try some ARP moly lube i picked up tonight but i really doubt thatll make it easy to hand tighten thead in.
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Old Apr 24, 2004 | 05:26 PM
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It might be a hyd lock. Try cleaning the hole and the stud, then spray a light lube like wd40 on them.
I would not use any oil or grease substance as it may crack the block.
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Old Apr 24, 2004 | 05:45 PM
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i usually spray brake clean in the holes, then blow out the holes with air.
try runnin a tap in one and see if it gets easier to thread in.

the moly lube is your best bet for torque readings. ive never had a problem with motor oil on the bolts cracking a block, aluminum or cast iron, head or mains.
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Old Apr 24, 2004 | 06:17 PM
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It cant be hyd lock, its hard to turn from the first thread in to the last. I finally worked it all the way down in but it doesnt feel right.

I'll try brake cleaning them out again and blowing them out.
And ARP Moly lube
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Old Apr 24, 2004 | 07:20 PM
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At the first sign of a problem; I would have called ARP for their advice.
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Originally Posted by AidanN20
I went to install ARP head studs i had in my old ls1 alum block into new 6.0L shortblock, and you can only thread them in about 2 turns by hand, then have to use an allen to slowly work them down into the block.

It took about 5 minutes each to do 2 studs so far. every stud was like this, would only thread in a few turns by hand then you can try and use the allen to slowly work them into the block (by tightening/untightening and they slowly work thier way down).


Any possibilities on why?? The threads seem clean as they can get. I put a bit of oil on each stud to lubricate it just a bit. I'll try some ARP moly lube i picked up tonight but i really doubt thatll make it easy to hand tighten thead in.
Whenever I machine a used block for MID sleeves I always run a thread forming tool through every head bolt hole - do not use a tap. I put a torque plate on after the sleeves are installed. Before doing this some blocks were so bad one would need a breaker bar to turn the bolts in. If the holes are clean and you are having difficulty, the threads need reforming.

Unfortunately, Time Sert (where I got mine) will no longer sell the LS1 thread forming tool. Some bone head broke the tool off in a block and is suing Time Sert for a block. I don't know off hand where you can get one but perhaps ARP knows another company that makes a thread forming tool for the LS1.

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Old Apr 25, 2004 | 01:40 AM
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honestly, it should not be that hard to install them. it seems as if your thread pattern is either too small or too big. i agree that you should have called ARP.
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Old Apr 25, 2004 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by AidanN20
I went to install ARP head studs i had in my old ls1 alum block into new 6.0L shortblock, and you can only thread them in about 2 turns by hand, then have to use an allen to slowly work them down into the block.

It took about 5 minutes each to do 2 studs so far. every stud was like this, would only thread in a few turns by hand then you can try and use the allen to slowly work them into the block (by tightening/untightening and they slowly work thier way down).


Any possibilities on why?? The threads seem clean as they can get. I put a bit of oil on each stud to lubricate it just a bit. I'll try some ARP moly lube i picked up tonight but i really doubt thatll make it easy to hand tighten thead in.
I just put 12pt studs in a 6.0 yesterday, it is exactly how you described, there was no liquid in the holes, it turned like 2 turns by hand and then I had too use an allen, but all went in ok, I pulled a few to just check what the threads looked like, and they all looked perfect
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Old Apr 25, 2004 | 11:50 AM
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kent moore makes the time sert kit i have used.
i have only used it on northstar aluminum blocks, never ls1. but they doo make a kit for ls1 i saw one on ebay.
you have to drill the old treads, tap(or whatever its called) then thread in a new time-sert. northstars suck *** by the way.

but this is an iron 6.0 block right? i dont see why you cant tap the holes.
i dont think you will hurt the block by running them in.
seems to have worked for "btl fed"

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