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Old 09-17-2013, 08:26 PM
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title pretty much sums it up,what cam will perform well in a 3600 stalled auto street/strip car with this setup,and require NO flycutting?..MS3/MS4?..228R?..FMS FM 10/13/14??..I just want a decent sized proven cam that will compliment this combo well(420-440whp)that I wont have to **** with flycutting...suggestions please!..
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What's your valve drop at TDC? Comp Cams master lobe catalog has the valve lift @TDC specs on their cams.

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From what I hear the M3 is about as big as you can go with the stock heads
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What's your valve drop at TDC? Comp Cams master lobe catalog has the valve lift @TDC specs on their cams.

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huh..thats a good question,i never even thought of that for some reason lol ,I will def have to check that if I cant get any pointers..,thanks
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Isn't the rotating assembly the same between the LQ9 and LS2 the same, for the purpose of this question? And the 243 are the heads on the LS2, so I would look into LS2 threads to see what people are getting away with.

I need to figure out what cam for my own LS2 soon enough.
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Originally Posted by Haggar
Isn't the rotating assembly the same between the LQ9 and LS2 the same, for the purpose of this question? And the 243 are the heads on the LS2, so I would look into LS2 threads to see what people are getting away with.

I need to figure out what cam for my own LS2 soon enough.
I know they are close,but, ive read that a lq9 w/ 243's is 11.1:1cr as opposed to the ls2's 10.8,so I would assume clearances are a little closer in this setup..
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setup in sig.
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setup in sig.
yeah,the lq9 has flat tops though..lq4's are dished..
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OK..went and did some measuring (Valve drop@TDC),hopefully this will help with the cam selection...first, I brung #1 piston to TDC,..2nd, I pulled the valve springs off #1 on the cylinder head and measured the height of both valve stems from top of the valve seal to the tip of the valve stem while closed, and I got: INT: 1.133" EXH: 1.119 (CLOSED) ,I then installed the head with the stock head gasket and torqued them to spec and pushed the valve stems down until they rested on the piston and measured the valve stems again(from top of valve seal to tip of valve stem), and I got: INT:.923" EXH:.900" (OPEN),..And lastly I subtracted the little numbers(open) from the big numbers(closed),..and I got: INT: .210" EXH: .219"

First question:did I do this correctly? and second question,what cams would fit without flycutting??..TIA
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Originally Posted by LT1IROC-Z
I know they are close,but, ive read that a lq9 w/ 243's is 11.1:1cr as opposed to the ls2's 10.8,so I would assume clearances are a little closer in this setup..
What year is your LQ9? 2005+ are the same pistons and rods in both engines.


https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...ottom-end.html

Both the LS2 and LS9 show the same 9.235-9.245 for deck height. Seems like it should be the same.
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Originally Posted by Haggar
What year is your LQ9? 2005+ are the same pistons and rods in both engines.


https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...ottom-end.html

Both the LS2 and LS9 show the same 9.235-9.245 for deck height. Seems like it should be the same.
its a 04',and they very well could be..
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I have an LQ9, TEA stage 2 243's, lightly milled. Comp cams 231/235 .617"/.621" on a 108LSA. No fly cutting. Made over 450rwhp.

Basically an SNS stage 2 cam on a 108.

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Originally Posted by 67rally
I have an LQ9, TEA stage 2 243's, lightly milled. Comp cams 231/235 .617"/.621" on a 108LSA. No fly cutting. Made over 450rwhp.

Basically an SNS stage 2 cam on a 108.
sweet,thanks for the info,your cam just happens to be around the size im looking for too,ya got a part or grind# by chance??
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Originally Posted by LT1IROC-Z
sweet,thanks for the info,your cam just happens to be around the size im looking for too,ya got a part or grind# by chance??
No, mine's a custom grind because I'm running a single plane Edelbrock Vic Jr. intake. That's why it's on a 108 LSA.

Check out the stage 2 SNS Torque Max from Tick Performance for the LS2 engine: http://www.tickperformance.com/tick-...r-ls2-engines/

Same cam specs as mine, but on a 111+2. If you have any Q's, PM Martin at Tick Performance. He'll help you out.
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I can calculate valve drop and tappet lift at TDC for you and fit the biggest cam we can in there.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
I can calculate valve drop and tappet lift at TDC for you and fit the biggest cam we can in there.
Hmmm. This topic sounds familiar. Martin you should share with them what the biggest LS2 cam would be for a carb setup with the advanced ICL. There are a lot of guys in the carb section that would want that info too since our circumstance is unique.

There are a lot of motor swappers who's standard MO is to max cam a junkyard motor and go racing, so this would be a well read topic by them.
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Im running an LQ9 with 243 heads, stock ls2 gaskets and an MS3 on 112 without flycutting.
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240/244 113 lsa
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Originally Posted by 88Fbody6L
Im running an LQ9 with 243 heads, stock ls2 gaskets and an MS3 on 112 without flycutting.
ever take it to the track or dyno??
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Originally Posted by speedtigger
Hmmm. This topic sounds familiar. Martin you should share with them what the biggest LS2 cam would be for a carb setup with the advanced ICL. There are a lot of guys in the carb section that would want that info too since our circumstance is unique.

There are a lot of motor swappers who's standard MO is to max cam a junkyard motor and go racing, so this would be a well read topic by them.
Yep, our conversation went just the same.

The more aggressive a lobe is off the seat, and the more valve lift the lobe has off the seat the less P to V you will have.

You can either use a lobe with less lobe lift at TDC off or on the seat, or use a smaller lobe.

I can pretty much look at where the valve opens or closes in relation to TDC and the lobe used and know if it's going to fit.

When valve diameters, head gaskets and chamber volumes are all altered though, the equation gets much more complex and measuring is always the best bet.



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