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Old Nov 24, 2013 | 12:28 PM
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i got a set of PRC .650 springs from a good friend (on an ms3 cam ls1 for about 1500 miles)

i went on Texas Speeds website to look up the Specs of the springs.
it says installed height of 1.810. Do you guys recommend going a little heavier on the seat because i'm putting some boost behind the valve?

Cam Specs http://shop.brutespeed.com/Comp-54-4...-54-479-11.htm
BTR Lifters
8-10psi of boost
stock rockers trunion upgrade
stock ls1 valves
243 heads
spinning to 7000rpms

any recommendations would be appreciated

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link to the spring information
http://texas-speed.com/p-474-precisi...retainers.aspx
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Originally Posted by Fastdriver1992
i got a set of PRC .650 springs from a good friend (on an ms3 cam ls1 for about 1500 miles)

i went on Texas Speeds website to look up the Specs of the springs.
it says installed height of 1.810. Do you guys recommend going a little heavier on the seat because i'm putting some boost behind the valve?

Cam Specs http://shop.brutespeed.com/Comp-54-4...-54-479-11.htm
BTR Lifters
8-10psi of boost
stock rockers trunion upgrade
stock ls1 valves
243 heads
spinning to 7000rpms

any recommendations would be appreciated

Thanks
Anthony

link to the spring information
http://texas-speed.com/p-474-precisi...retainers.aspx
How much power do you want to make?

Thats alot of duration for a turbo cam IMHO. If you are going through the trouble of turbocharging something why only run 10lbs? Run a small cam, less RPM and more boost. The engine will make more power and live longer.
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Old Nov 24, 2013 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Forcefed86
How much power do you want to make?

Thats alot of duration for a turbo cam IMHO. If you are going through the trouble of turbocharging something why only run 10lbs? Run a small cam, less RPM and more boost. The engine will make more power and live longer.
not a turbo... centrifugal Supercharger.... and because its only gonna be a stock bottom end for now. i'll forge it to a 370 later on towards the end of the season and run more boost but it will be with different heads anyways.

just would like an answer to my valve spring height question. how do you boost guys usually shim your valve springs?

btw after its a 370 i'm looking to make 800rwhp on 18lbs but again will be with different springs and heads
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Shim them up.

http://www.briantooleyracing.com/030...ox-of-100.html
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but by how much? i already bought a shim kit with .015/.030/.060 shims
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I'd aim for a seat height of 1.754".
Setting the seat height to 1.754" will give you 50/1000ths clearance from coil bind with the .624" lift of that cam.
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Originally Posted by 99Bluz28
I'd aim for a seat height of 1.754".
Setting the seat height to 1.754" will give you 50/1000ths clearance from coil bind with the .624" lift of that cam.
Thank you, do you guys usually base it off of closed seat pressure or do you try and go around .050 from coil bind? Just looking for alittle education on valvetrain setups. Always thought the least amount of spring preasure as possible to put less stress on the valvetrain, but correct me if i'm wrong
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Seat pressure really doesn't matter...
As long as seat pressure is more than your boost.. you will never open the valve from boost..
And.. once its closed...its even higher forces from inside the cylinder keeping it closed

You need open pressure to be very high to fight lifter "loft"..
So you shim springs up to within .050 or .060 of coil bind to get the maximum pressure possible when open (spring compressed)
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Originally Posted by soundengineer
Seat pressure really doesn't matter...
As long as seat pressure is more than your boost.. you will never open the valve from boost..
And.. once its closed...its even higher forces from inside the cylinder keeping it closed

You need open pressure to be very high to fight lifter "loft"..
So you shim springs up to within .050 or .060 of coil bind to get the maximum pressure possible when open (spring compressed)
Thank you for clearing that up. I understand completely.
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There is a point where you can have too much pressure and lose a little power in the top end...but its usually a pretty small amount and you have to decide if you really need it or not.
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Originally Posted by soundengineer
There is a point where you can have too much pressure and lose a little power in the top end...but its usually a pretty small amount and you have to decide if you really need it or not.
i've always been one to sacrifice some hp for stronger durability
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