Those with over 450RWHP Chime in
12-23-2013, 11:22 AM
#21
12-23-2013, 12:01 PM
#23
450 to the wheels, or 122+ trap speed, is very easy to obtain.
Ported 243/799 from AI/Tea/Other reputable vendors. Even AI ported 5.3 heads will do it as long as the valves are upgraded.
Pretty much any cam that's not stock or a baby cam
Fast 92/102
90MM tb
1 7/8" headers
That pretty much guarantees 450 rwhp.
Ported 243/799 from AI/Tea/Other reputable vendors. Even AI ported 5.3 heads will do it as long as the valves are upgraded.
Pretty much any cam that's not stock or a baby cam
Fast 92/102
90MM tb
1 7/8" headers
That pretty much guarantees 450 rwhp.
12-23-2013, 01:24 PM
#24
450 to the wheels, or 122+ trap speed, is very easy to obtain.
Ported 243/799 from AI/Tea/Other reputable vendors. Even AI ported 5.3 heads will do it as long as the valves are upgraded.
Pretty much any cam that's not stock or a baby cam
Fast 92/102
90MM tb
1 7/8" headers
That pretty much guarantees 450 rwhp.
Ported 243/799 from AI/Tea/Other reputable vendors. Even AI ported 5.3 heads will do it as long as the valves are upgraded.
Pretty much any cam that's not stock or a baby cam
Fast 92/102
90MM tb
1 7/8" headers
That pretty much guarantees 450 rwhp.
$1200 plus shipping both ways and the initial cost of the 243 heads. Plus head gaskets and bolts. So I'd say $1600 minimum.
Custom cam $400+ Plus springs $120
90mm TB - $289
1 7/8 hooker headers (jegs) $750 (plus shipping)
So assuming you did all the labor yourself, that's roughly $3300 to get 450 hp. + tuning software ($650)
Thats getting close to the 4k mark. And you have to rip the engine apart to do it.
Take that same money and spend it on a turbo kit and you'll make more power on a bone stock unopened engine for half the money. If you can fabricate a tiny bit you'll be fine. If not, paying an exhaust shop to do the hotside or even buying a vendors kit would still cost less than the NA setup above.
Last edited by Forcefed86; 12-23-2013 at 01:30 PM.
12-23-2013, 01:53 PM
#25
You're gonna spend 4k on na, or fi.. No matter what you do...pick your poison...
TEA CNC ported 243's -
$1200 plus shipping both ways and the initial cost of the 243 heads. Plus head gaskets and bolts. So I'd say $1600 minimum.
Custom cam $400+ Plus springs $120
90mm TB - $289
1 7/8 hooker headers (jegs) $750 (plus shipping)
So assuming you did all the labor yourself, that's roughly $3300 to get 450 hp. + tuning software ($650)
Thats getting close to the 4k mark. And you have to rip the engine apart to do it.
Take that same money and spend it on a turbo kit and you'll make more power on a bone stock unopened engine for half the money. If you can fabricate a tiny bit you'll be fine. If not, paying an exhaust shop to do the hotside or even buying a vendors kit would still cost less than the NA setup above.
$1200 plus shipping both ways and the initial cost of the 243 heads. Plus head gaskets and bolts. So I'd say $1600 minimum.
Custom cam $400+ Plus springs $120
90mm TB - $289
1 7/8 hooker headers (jegs) $750 (plus shipping)
So assuming you did all the labor yourself, that's roughly $3300 to get 450 hp. + tuning software ($650)
Thats getting close to the 4k mark. And you have to rip the engine apart to do it.
Take that same money and spend it on a turbo kit and you'll make more power on a bone stock unopened engine for half the money. If you can fabricate a tiny bit you'll be fine. If not, paying an exhaust shop to do the hotside or even buying a vendors kit would still cost less than the NA setup above.
12-23-2013, 02:25 PM
#27
The entire turbo kit (including the turbo) could be done for the price of the heads alone.
12-23-2013, 02:29 PM
#28
Better take a look at this if you don't think it's going to cost just as much as a heads/cam/intake setup.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...induction.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...induction.html
12-23-2013, 02:53 PM
#31
Better take a look at this if you don't think it's going to cost just as much as a heads/cam/intake setup.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...induction.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...induction.html
Read a book, do a little research. (it's free!) Get with the times! Go check out Denmah's builds making over 600whp on a shoestring budget. NA hot-rodding is dead IMO, just to expensive when compared to FI.
Tune? I tune myself. Never used a dyno either. Technically after heads/cam/intake you need to should RE-tune anyway.
Last edited by Forcefed86; 12-23-2013 at 03:03 PM.
12-23-2013, 03:01 PM
#33
Don't need to read anything. I’ve done it personally, don't need some random strangers opinion on what it costs to build a turbo car back in 2006! That’s one persons opinion on what they think is necessary. The fact is 99% of that crap isn’t necessary especially for 450 hp.
Read a book do a little research. Get with the times! Go check out Denmah's builds making over 600whp on a shoestring budget.
Read a book do a little research. Get with the times! Go check out Denmah's builds making over 600whp on a shoestring budget.
It's not a opinion, it's folks like you claiming is 350.00 to go 8's half these kids don't factor in fuel requirements, which alone can set you back 5-800 on the low end... Nobody knockin what you've done, but be realistic..
12-23-2013, 03:11 PM
#34
Read a.book? Sounds like you need the book pal.. Any idiot can build a 600hp turbo car...
It's not a opinion, it's folks like you claiming is 350.00 to go 8's half these kids don't factor in fuel requirements, which alone can set you back 5-800 on the low end... Nobody knockin what you've done, but be realistic..
It's not a opinion, it's folks like you claiming is 350.00 to go 8's half these kids don't factor in fuel requirements, which alone can set you back 5-800 on the low end... Nobody knockin what you've done, but be realistic..
This idiot built an 800+ hp turbo engine and the kit was well under 4k. I'm a **** poor fabricator and this was literally my first time ever touching an LS Motor. I am very realistic when I say someone could easily build the entire turbo kit including the turbo for the cost of the heads mentioned alone. I'm not claiming anything. I've done it. Others have done it for less than I have.
A 450hp fuel system isn't going to be any cheaper on a FI car VS an NA engine. They will cost roughly the same.
Last edited by Forcefed86; 12-23-2013 at 03:41 PM.
12-23-2013, 03:16 PM
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Ive done it far cheaper than 4k NA. Even done it with a LS1 with a 228/232 cam, LS6 intake, hand ported 243s and a 9 inch. Its all about know what your doing as to how inexpensive it can be. If you cant port heads, clean up intakes, or turn wrenches your going to pay.
12-23-2013, 03:39 PM
#36
Don't need to read anything, I know t's cheaper than a heads/cam/intake setup. I’ve done it personally, don't need some random strangers opinion on what it costs to build a turbo car back in 2006! That’s one persons opinion on what they think is necessary. The fact is 99% of that crap isn’t necessary especially for 450 hp.
Read a book, do a little research. (it's free!) Get with the times! Go check out Denmah's builds making over 600whp on a shoestring budget. NA hot-rodding is dead IMO, just to expensive when compared to FI.
Tune? I tune myself. Never used a dyno either. Technically after heads/cam/intake you need to should RE-tune anyway.
Read a book, do a little research. (it's free!) Get with the times! Go check out Denmah's builds making over 600whp on a shoestring budget. NA hot-rodding is dead IMO, just to expensive when compared to FI.
Tune? I tune myself. Never used a dyno either. Technically after heads/cam/intake you need to should RE-tune anyway.
12-23-2013, 08:10 PM
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Long tube headers and a free flowing exhaust to start, a nice intake (SLP induction, ram air intake, etc), Fast intake manifold, a 230* or more cam cam, and a pair of AFR 205cc (or trickflow) heads, then top it off with a dyno tune. Should be around 470 to the wheels.