How to get 400RWHP from A4????
Originally Posted by 98TAauto
offaxis, now you know you have the sloest POS out there:-P HAHAHHAHA wassup man
I only had one goal though... I just wanted to get from point A to point B quicker. I picked the best heads that i liked and saw perform from the price, saw their et's and current mods/weather conditions, 60ft's and all and made a comparsion. I coulda probably have set on the dyno all day long and eventually found ways to get up to 410+ hp im sure, but i wasnt really worried about that. I just wanted to make sure the A/F was something decent.
you know how I think on racing.. i figure what i ran before and raceweight and what the car should do now. Usually im within a tenth on my guesses.. i mean i wanted to run 11.5's cam only and knew the car would do that... 4 passes and all 11.5's that same day
same, you should have no probs hitting 11's like offaxis said. You just need to get that 60 on the 1.6's atleast. On nittos cam only with your basic same mods I went 11.7@114 also cam only with a 1.64-66 on nittos so you will be there also with a good 60ft. For me now a 1.7+ anything 60ft wise feels like im just sitting there spinning and spinnin so i just let off and cruise down the track LMAO. A 1.6 feels like a plane hit you in the rear compared to a 1.8(u get the idea)
I wasnt expecting 390's when i dynoed.. i was just shooting for 370 LMAO(seriously). If anyone has high expectations then when they dont get what they want, then they are highly ticked off...
in a auto anything above 380 would be nice in my book...
oh and sam, i only shifted my car at 6450 btw i didnt see the need to go any higher
I only had one goal though... I just wanted to get from point A to point B quicker. I picked the best heads that i liked and saw perform from the price, saw their et's and current mods/weather conditions, 60ft's and all and made a comparsion. I coulda probably have set on the dyno all day long and eventually found ways to get up to 410+ hp im sure, but i wasnt really worried about that. I just wanted to make sure the A/F was something decent.
you know how I think on racing.. i figure what i ran before and raceweight and what the car should do now. Usually im within a tenth on my guesses.. i mean i wanted to run 11.5's cam only and knew the car would do that... 4 passes and all 11.5's that same day
same, you should have no probs hitting 11's like offaxis said. You just need to get that 60 on the 1.6's atleast. On nittos cam only with your basic same mods I went 11.7@114 also cam only with a 1.64-66 on nittos so you will be there also with a good 60ft. For me now a 1.7+ anything 60ft wise feels like im just sitting there spinning and spinnin so i just let off and cruise down the track LMAO. A 1.6 feels like a plane hit you in the rear compared to a 1.8(u get the idea)
I wasnt expecting 390's when i dynoed.. i was just shooting for 370 LMAO(seriously). If anyone has high expectations then when they dont get what they want, then they are highly ticked off...
in a auto anything above 380 would be nice in my book...
oh and sam, i only shifted my car at 6450 btw
i didnt see the need to go any higherIm looking at a couple different intakes now. So that will probly be my next move.That with a nice TB should add a few more ponies and i promised myself i woudl do suspension this summer .Its hard ima hp junkie man i dontlike spending money on my car if it doesn add hp.But there is nothing worse than having hp you cant apply to the ground and i seen to have alot of that right now.
Last edited by offaxis; May 13, 2004 at 08:36 AM.
glad to be off assistance.. now i just wish i had more damn money to get out on the track and see what she can do lol. To many baby mods LOL
AS isnt any slouch either.. those cars seem to dyno consistant 400+ numbers normally! Still and at that time you couldnt beat there price/performance.
im gonna have to stick with my lil cam for now cause my stock trans and rear wont like anything bigger
anyway, ill let this post get back on track.. but 400hp can be reached in a A4 easily. Just do some research on the 500000 combos out there. But i would shoot for 380+ and go from there. If you had a M6, then 400 is pretty much a peice of cake for most. Hell, cam only M6's break that mark everyday now it seems.
just pic something you are happy with and go from there. U may not get what you want at first, but it till come with time
AS isnt any slouch either.. those cars seem to dyno consistant 400+ numbers normally! Still and at that time you couldnt beat there price/performance.
im gonna have to stick with my lil cam for now cause my stock trans and rear wont like anything bigger
anyway, ill let this post get back on track.. but 400hp can be reached in a A4 easily. Just do some research on the 500000 combos out there. But i would shoot for 380+ and go from there. If you had a M6, then 400 is pretty much a peice of cake for most. Hell, cam only M6's break that mark everyday now it seems.
just pic something you are happy with and go from there. U may not get what you want at first, but it till come with time
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yeah but the TCI SSF3500 is meant for non-cam cars.
It's shift extension is like 6089->4600 and 6600->5010, its flash stall from idle is like 2500rpm (no trans brake heh). So i'm guessing i picked a verter too small and the vig's have always been rated differently.
Can you tell me about your shift extension when shifting at 6400 where it lands back?
Ideally you want to spend the 2nd and 3rd gear in PEAK WHP only going down the track, which i cannot do without shifting high or re-stalling.
The trans/motor has 71.5K miles on it so im not trying to torch it too fast
I find when the temps raise up the trans temps get out of control so i gotta deal with that first.
I decided to spend the extra cash i had on some useless show (GM SS hood,GM SS spoiler), which would have been my heads/cam, and now maybe some 17's if i find a good deal. But honestly all the trouble of putting the heads on i don't think would have made me any happier than the looks. Gotta balance both. I think the SS spoiler adds 5 lbs to the car and the SS hood takes 20 lbs off the car lol. Does that justify $1400 (yeah yeah freshly painted, perfectly matched, perfect fitting).
Back to the subject. The massive torque indeed you can feel, it makes it VERY difficult to rock out on Nitto's. Matter of fact i gave up after 10 passes on a 85F day. Track prep sucked. Said yo bro, gimme those slicks, then it was on. But at that point my ECT and Trans Temps were up to 225F and the performance went down when i overheated the trans (bad i know). Not having a line lock must put a world of hurt on the burnout.
The slicks kicked ***. I held 2000, launched, same ET, i Held 1500, stabbed and steer same ET, then idle, stab n steer flash launch, no spinout. Was 10X easier to control the car. I'm waiting to put a line lock on, so i dont abuse the trans so much and figure out how to keep the ECT/Trans temps down so i don't buy a new trans soon before i go back.
best of the day on ET's at 225/225 85F was like 12.269 with 1.80 60ft not spinning. I think the trans was not having it being so hot and running back to back hotlaps. With the nitto's best i could do last event was 12.9 or something lame. I think the track just sucked ballz for nitto's that day. Folks on ET's and M6's were consistent. my A4 is very temperature tempermental.
it was like 60F out on the night when i ran 12.163 on nitto's, let the engine cool down due to excessive lines. On the 85F day it was like nobody left to race at the last hour or so, run, drive around stage by yourself and go again. The trap mph was consistent but the car wouldn't go fast even with slicks.
Are you guys rocking 245-50-16 nitto 555R's? I ran them at 16 to 13psi and they seem to work better towards 15-16psi. I wonder if its any gain at all to go to wider (275-40-17) rims or if the (lack of) sidewall would negate the +30mm of contact patch?
I know there's a 1.60 60 in my car somehow but just havent figure it out yet. Maybe with a deep trans pan, line lock, and some more practice i'll get it.
I've run the car maybe 12 runs since the mods were put on total so i take all of your advice and think about it at the track. M6 guys will admit quickly that an A4 is not a piece of cake, just hand them to keys and tell them to make 3-4 passes lol. "damn that shiz isn't as easy as i thought" lol
It's shift extension is like 6089->4600 and 6600->5010, its flash stall from idle is like 2500rpm (no trans brake heh). So i'm guessing i picked a verter too small and the vig's have always been rated differently.
Can you tell me about your shift extension when shifting at 6400 where it lands back?
Ideally you want to spend the 2nd and 3rd gear in PEAK WHP only going down the track, which i cannot do without shifting high or re-stalling.
The trans/motor has 71.5K miles on it so im not trying to torch it too fast
I find when the temps raise up the trans temps get out of control so i gotta deal with that first. I decided to spend the extra cash i had on some useless show (GM SS hood,GM SS spoiler), which would have been my heads/cam, and now maybe some 17's if i find a good deal. But honestly all the trouble of putting the heads on i don't think would have made me any happier than the looks. Gotta balance both. I think the SS spoiler adds 5 lbs to the car and the SS hood takes 20 lbs off the car lol. Does that justify $1400 (yeah yeah freshly painted, perfectly matched, perfect fitting).
Back to the subject. The massive torque indeed you can feel, it makes it VERY difficult to rock out on Nitto's. Matter of fact i gave up after 10 passes on a 85F day. Track prep sucked. Said yo bro, gimme those slicks, then it was on. But at that point my ECT and Trans Temps were up to 225F and the performance went down when i overheated the trans (bad i know). Not having a line lock must put a world of hurt on the burnout.
The slicks kicked ***. I held 2000, launched, same ET, i Held 1500, stabbed and steer same ET, then idle, stab n steer flash launch, no spinout. Was 10X easier to control the car. I'm waiting to put a line lock on, so i dont abuse the trans so much and figure out how to keep the ECT/Trans temps down so i don't buy a new trans soon before i go back.
best of the day on ET's at 225/225 85F was like 12.269 with 1.80 60ft not spinning. I think the trans was not having it being so hot and running back to back hotlaps. With the nitto's best i could do last event was 12.9 or something lame. I think the track just sucked ballz for nitto's that day. Folks on ET's and M6's were consistent. my A4 is very temperature tempermental.
it was like 60F out on the night when i ran 12.163 on nitto's, let the engine cool down due to excessive lines. On the 85F day it was like nobody left to race at the last hour or so, run, drive around stage by yourself and go again. The trap mph was consistent but the car wouldn't go fast even with slicks.
Are you guys rocking 245-50-16 nitto 555R's? I ran them at 16 to 13psi and they seem to work better towards 15-16psi. I wonder if its any gain at all to go to wider (275-40-17) rims or if the (lack of) sidewall would negate the +30mm of contact patch?
I know there's a 1.60 60 in my car somehow but just havent figure it out yet. Maybe with a deep trans pan, line lock, and some more practice i'll get it.
I've run the car maybe 12 runs since the mods were put on total so i take all of your advice and think about it at the track. M6 guys will admit quickly that an A4 is not a piece of cake, just hand them to keys and tell them to make 3-4 passes lol. "damn that shiz isn't as easy as i thought" lol
Originally Posted by purevilss
Well, 400 isn't all that easy. After all the lucky stories I've seen, I went with JPR S2 heads, a TR 227/224, LT headers from PPC, other bolt-ons and tuning and only have 370 through an A4 and 3.73's. Good luck
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hmm yeah thats kinda why i was thinking about skipping heads and figuring a better way about getting to my goal. Doesn't seem logical that you only made 360rwhp with more compression and more flow.
That 11.72 was on the hose ? 121mph is mighty fast for 11.72 it seems
That 11.72 was on the hose ? 121mph is mighty fast for 11.72 it seems
Originally Posted by samz28
hmm yeah thats kinda why i was thinking about skipping heads and figuring a better way about getting to my goal. Doesn't seem logical that you only made 360rwhp with more compression and more flow.
That 11.72 was on the hose ? 121mph is mighty fast for 11.72 it seems
That 11.72 was on the hose ? 121mph is mighty fast for 11.72 it seems
NA, if I remember correctly was 12.7 @ 115
I can't figure it out either. Gave up, Procharger was just installed and heads are coming off.
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alright guys.....back to the subject for a quick second, do you think ill have piston to valve clearance issues with the stage 2 5.7 heads milled .030" with the 225 TSP cam???? specs are i believe 225/225 .587/.589 112+2. thanks
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sam, my best 60ft on nittos was a 1.58 SI. Cam only I only saw 1.64 best spinning. Its harder to hook with the more power you get of coarse. Those were 16inch nittos btw also. I ran them at 18-21psi, usually 20psi. Anything lower and I spun like crazy!
my shift extension on my car goes back to 5350 usually... no matter where it shifts at, it will kick back to 5300 roughly. Thats what atap shows anyway, and so does the tach in my car.. my flash rpms is 3600 also on atap
i always had to roll outta the hole at the tree.. if I flashed I spun.. if I stalled up above 2k i spun.. slight roll then punch LONGGGGGGGGGGG burnout from box up to tree also!
Brain: sorry for jumping in the post.. wish i could help answer your reply btw, but i cant Hopefully someone can bro
my shift extension on my car goes back to 5350 usually... no matter where it shifts at, it will kick back to 5300 roughly. Thats what atap shows anyway, and so does the tach in my car.. my flash rpms is 3600 also on atap
i always had to roll outta the hole at the tree.. if I flashed I spun.. if I stalled up above 2k i spun.. slight roll then punch
LONGGGGGGGGGGG burnout from box up to tree also!Brain: sorry for jumping in the post.. wish i could help answer your reply btw, but i cant
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its ok, i guess I should be talking to TSP about this huh, i emailed jason a few days ago on the email addy listed for him on the website and never got a reply back......maybe ill call them tomorrow
