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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 02:53 PM
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Would an 2006 LS 6.0 timing set fit my 98 LS1 engine?
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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 05:33 PM
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2006 is a Gen IV block, so a Gen IV timing chain will work with a Gen III block, provided it uses a 1X sprocket (just one raised half moon looking "phaser") vs a 4X (which has 4 - two quarters and two smaller "phasers"). If it's a 4X, I think you can use if you swap to a 1X cam sprocket.

The chain off the 6.0 is better than the LS1 and will work with your existing gears. I'd just do that if you are that hard up on cash. Personally, I prefer to see a beefier chain and billet sprockets, since this sets the timing of the motor and accuracy is paramount, especially when you start running higher performance parts.
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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 05:58 PM
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As the 1998 LS1 has it's cam sensor at the rear of the cam, any cam gear can be used, so long as it bolts up to the cam itself.
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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeFusion
2006 is a Gen IV block, so a Gen IV timing chain will work with a Gen III block, provided it uses a 1X sprocket (just one raised half moon looking "phaser") vs a 4X (which has 4 - two quarters and two smaller "phasers"). If it's a 4X, I think you can use if you swap to a 1X cam sprocket.

The chain off the 6.0 is better than the LS1 and will work with your existing gears. I'd just do that if you are that hard up on cash. Personally, I prefer to see a beefier chain and billet sprockets, since this sets the timing of the motor and accuracy is paramount, especially when you start running higher performance parts.
Is not a cash issue, just know where I can obtain a double roller billet set for $40 new
It's this one from Summit.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g6616-b

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You'll be hard pressed to find a billet double roller set for that cost.

As the crank & cam gears are the same, and the LS1 chain has been superseded by it anyway, just get the LS2 chain. It's within your price range:

https://sdparts.com/details/gm-facto...parts/12586482

Also, be wary of cheap knock-off chains and sets, they're everywhere. This is one thing where you want the real McCoy, whether it be a GM or aftermarket brand name chain.
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Old Jun 27, 2014 | 08:42 AM
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Summits chains are made by AS Not sure how good they are but know they sell in different price range. I'm being offer this one at this price only because the guy that has it never got install in his car and has now sold it. I'm not up to speed on the sprocket size of 4x and or 1x. What those these number mean?
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The LS1/6 engines are 24x with a 1x cam pickup in the rear of the engine.

The LS2 engines are also 24x with a 1x cam pickup but it's the block on the cam gear with the sensor through the timing cover.

Later engines are 58x with a 4x cam pickup, also through the timing cover.

Current engines are also 58x/4x but with one bolt through the cam gear.

GM chains themselves interchange for all years. The thicker LS2 chain is what they use now.
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Good chart.
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Originally Posted by Paul Bell
The LS1/6 engines are 24x with a 1x cam pickup in the rear of the engine.

The LS2 engines are also 24x with a 1x cam pickup but it's the block on the cam gear with the sensor through the timing cover.

Later engines are 58x with a 4x cam pickup, also through the timing cover.

Current engines are also 58x/4x but with one bolt through the cam gear.

GM chains themselves interchange for all years. The thicker LS2 chain is what they use now.
Hi Paul, Thanks for the picture. understand it much better now but still don't understand what the number 24 or 58 means. Seems the ls1 and the later model3 bolt cam gears are the same teeth count. Is the size the different?
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24x and 58x refers to the ''teeth'' on the crank reluctor ring. 24x systems need a 1x cam reluctor ring. 58x systems need a 4x cam reluctor ring. The cast-in blocks on the cam gear make up the reluctor ''ring''.
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the teeth size & shape and number of teeth for the timing chain itself are identical for all versions.
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Old Jun 27, 2014 | 06:41 PM
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ok Pau Bell, got it Thanks! Kind of figured it was something I knew nothing about. LOL!So as you said earlier I can use a 58x timing set since my cam sensor is in the rear as long at the set has the three bolt type cam gear? This is the timing set I'm talking about.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g6616-b
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It's been said many times that a double roller set is un-needed. Most times, the LS2 chain is more than enough-and you won't need to shim out the oil pump.

I'm doing a big 383 build and I went with a single roller Roll Master set.
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Old Jun 28, 2014 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Bell
It's been said many times that a double roller set is un-needed. Most times, the LS2 chain is more than enough-and you won't need to shim out the oil pump.

I'm doing a big 383 build and I went with a single roller Roll Master set.
Agreed and have decided to go with the LS2 chain. I didn't think about needing to shim the oil pump. Thanks for the info.
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Old Jul 2, 2014 | 08:33 PM
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Well, I when ahead and purchase the LS2 chain and the trick flow damper bracket with the LS2 damper. The chain is a much stronger chain than the LS1.However, after installation I turned the engine over a few rotations to make sure everything was ok and the chain slaps the damper and kind of almost seems like it get jam up for a split of a second then it lets go and hits the damper, Specially when you turn the engine slow. If you keep constant rotation it seems ok. I'm sure this is normal. Thank you Paul Bell for recommending this route.
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Old Jul 2, 2014 | 08:36 PM
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I found I had to trim down one side of the damper block just a hair. And it hit the oil pump a bit, again trimmed it.
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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 10:04 PM
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Ok I think the chain may be catching the upper tip of the damper as the chain comes around on the driver side. I'll clean it up there and see how it goes. Thanks
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What was the part number for the ls2 chain?
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