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Old Sep 29, 2014 | 06:58 PM
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Currently i have a 408 that was built awhile back and its a pretty high compression. So anyways it has a rod knock now and its about to get sent out to the shop for a rebuild.. So my boy is convincing me to lower comp and to go boost with a f1c procharger... What are people pulling with these type of set up. .. Im really liking the idea of going boost
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Your buddy is right. If you go the Procharger route, you don't want to run very high compression. What compression is your 408 at now? If it's not too high, you can always run e85 or meth (or both) to help out, but sounds like your going to need new internals anyway, so shoot for a compression between 8.5:1 and 9.5:1. The F1C Procharger will make a ton of power and should work really well on a 408.
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Your buddy is right. If you go the Procharger route, you don't want to run very high compression. What compression is your 408 at now? If it's not too high, you can always run e85 or meth (or both) to help out, but sounds like your going to need new internals anyway, so shoot for a compression between 8.5:1 and 9.5:1. The F1C Procharger will make a ton of power and should work really well on a 408.
Currently its at 11:8:1 with eagle internals
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Don't see it living long at that compression and a F1C blower.
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Don't see it living long at that compression and a F1C blower.
Yea i know lol.. My original build was for nitrous but like i said my boy is convincing me to go boost since im gonna have my engine rebuilt.. What would be some good internals that would be able to handle the f1c .. Would i be able to get away with the standard callie stuff or would i need higher end parts.?
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What heads and size combustion chamber are you running ? What pistons, dished ( + or - ) ? Staying 408ci ? More street or strip ?
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What heads and size combustion chamber are you running ? What pistons, dished ( + or - ) ? Staying 408ci ? More street or strip ?
My current set up has the -2cc diamond pistons and im most likley gonna stay with my ls3heads which are 64cc
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Don't see why the Callies stuff wouldn't work just fine. Check around on here for similar combos. Carlos os doing a F series Procharger on a 408 right now. Might want to check out his thread or PM him and see what his setup consists of.
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The only way I see you being able to make a procharger work at that kind of compression is running it on E85 or C16.
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The only way I see you being able to make a procharger work at that kind of compression is running it on E85 or C16.
Martin, how do you think a D1SC Procharger setup on a stock bottom end LS1 that's running 11.5:1 compression would hold up using e85?
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Don't see why the Callies stuff wouldn't work just fine. Check around on here for similar combos. Carlos os doing a F series Procharger on a 408 right now. Might want to check out his thread or PM him and see what his setup consists of.
Is that his screen name?
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DopeFedz is his screen name. His thread in the FI section is titled "nitrous to procharger build".
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Don't see why the Callies stuff wouldn't work just fine. Check around on here for similar combos. Carlos os doing a F series Procharger on a 408 right now. Might want to check out his thread or PM him and see what his setup consists of.
hasnt some of the callies dragonslayers snapped at the crank snout? How much is lunati pro series up to par with the callies?
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Not sure on that. Maybe you could talk to Bob at Brute Speed about what rotating assembly he would recommend.
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Originally Posted by xdanny510x
hasnt some of the callies dragonslayers snapped at the crank snout? How much is lunati pro series up to par with the callies?
I think that was due to people tightening the belt to prevent the supercharger from slipping and putting to much stress on the snout and I don't think it was limited to Callies. I'm building a 408 with a 6-71 and plan on running a Callies Compstar with a crank support.
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Martin, how do you think a D1SC Procharger setup on a stock bottom end LS1 that's running 11.5:1 compression would hold up using e85?
My opinion and our opinion at our shop is keep SBE's at 700rwhp or less for longevity.

Our shop has pushed stock bottom end engines in our own vehicles to some pretty hard limits and never popped one. I've personally been 6.10@114 in the 1/8th on a 250 shot when my combo was cam only and my boss Jonathan has been 5.90's@116 on a 225 shot when his combo was cam only as well.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
My opinion and our opinion at our shop is keep SBE's at 700rwhp or less for longevity.

Our shop has pushed stock bottom end engines in our own vehicles to some pretty hard limits and never popped one. I've personally been 6.10@114 in the 1/8th on a 250 shot when my combo was cam only and my boss Jonathan has been 5.90's@116 on a 225 shot when his combo was cam only as well.
Thanks Martin. I guess the next question is how would my cam work with a FMIC D1SC setup? I know 700 rwhp is not achievable; I'd be looking for something along the lines of 600 rwhp.
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Thanks Martin. I guess the next question is how would my cam work with a FMIC D1SC setup? I know 700 rwhp is not achievable; I'd be looking for something along the lines of 600 rwhp.
700rwhp is absolutely achievable with a 408. I'm rebuilding a 408 that made over 850hp at the crank on 9psi and that was with a 10-71 roots blower on e85. It was on a 925hp+ pull at only 5200rpm pull when it broke due to a dyno operator error, It should have been at or above 1000hp at the crank.
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Originally Posted by LLLosingit
700rwhp is absolutely achievable with a 408. I'm rebuilding a 408 that made over 850hp at the crank on 9psi and that was with a 10-71 roots blower on e85. It was on a 925hp+ pull at only 5200rpm pull when it broke due to a dyno operator error, It should have been at or above 1000hp at the crank.
OP has a 408, but I have a sbe LS1 that I'd be running a D1SC with FMIC to go along with all the mods in my signature. I think by adding a D1SC, I'd be around 600 rwhp.
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Does anyone make heads with larger combustion chambers to lower compression for instances when you would want to go from n/a to fi? Would a larger chamber head had a lot of adverse effects?
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