G5X2 and G5X3
Originally Posted by Orange Peel
Yeah I work for LG, I commute every day in my car to TX and pick this **** up. Come on dude, get real. Have you ever liked something and told others about it? People ask the same question a hundred times in this forum, "What cam to get" All we are doing is telling them our opinions, if you don't like the cam, that's cool, I don't like your cam too, if you have one. I like my car, I like my cam, hell, I like my car a lot, ****, I work for GM too! COOL! 
I have just never seen so much flagrant worshiping unless you are getting a kickback. It seems like the "Magic" cam with the "Secret" specs that is recommended for almost everyone unless you want to;
1. Use forced Induction
2. Pass emissions
I know this cam must be massive to have to worry about P/V clearance but there is no drivability issues? I have a fairly small cam by those standards and it does not drive anything like it did stock. (and yes it is tuned) I don't mind telling people about an item i like but i tell the whole truth about it, not just the good stuff.
People need advice on making informed decisions on their mods.
I know people on these boards that do get money for promoting items, but even those guys don't go as far as you guys do.
Do i like my cam, yes. Do i like your cam, yes. I know the approx specs for your cam, i just don't know the reason for the big secret. Someone afraid it will get copied?
You don't have to commute to get money for posting.
I know you didn't start the thread, just like all the other cam threads on here the last couple of days.
No you are right not everyone is making a drag car I'm not but I do use it as a good rule of thumb even for street use ETC... And I am aware of the way weather and altitude ETC... can alter the way a car runs we here in Houston area see vey high temps and very humid days so I can tell you it makes a big difference. Of corrse we are at sea level which helps. I'd like to take a ride in that car of yours sound like it runs OK!
Originally Posted by Inspector12
SSOnYourSix:
Hey I am glad to see someone trying to give out good information on cams. I am not trying to say anything bad so don't take this the wrong way but I know all the people you are installing cams for don't know much about cars and wouldn't know the difference between 500" lift and 600" lift or what it means. What I am getting at is that there are a lot of people such as myself that have been working on cars for years me since I was around 8-10 years old and are trying to do stuff ourselves and would like to know specs of any cam we were going to install no matter what reason. I think that is why there are some LG haters ETC... Second just cause Lou says it's great doesn't cut it for me as an answer to a question. All I am saying is that if the specs don't mean anything to all these nonmechanics then why worry about it? They would just say I want the X2 or X3 cause Lou and you said it was great! I am not saying that it is not a great cam I was looking at thins post because a friend is wanting a good nitrous cam that doesn't sacrifice NA driving and I was looking this cam as a possibility. I would not pick it without having the specs for it first as he has a set of ported and milled 5.3's and I would be concerned with P to V clearance. And I would not take anyones word on it. And yes I would double check it before installing it. But thanks for some of the good info.
Hey I am glad to see someone trying to give out good information on cams. I am not trying to say anything bad so don't take this the wrong way but I know all the people you are installing cams for don't know much about cars and wouldn't know the difference between 500" lift and 600" lift or what it means. What I am getting at is that there are a lot of people such as myself that have been working on cars for years me since I was around 8-10 years old and are trying to do stuff ourselves and would like to know specs of any cam we were going to install no matter what reason. I think that is why there are some LG haters ETC... Second just cause Lou says it's great doesn't cut it for me as an answer to a question. All I am saying is that if the specs don't mean anything to all these nonmechanics then why worry about it? They would just say I want the X2 or X3 cause Lou and you said it was great! I am not saying that it is not a great cam I was looking at thins post because a friend is wanting a good nitrous cam that doesn't sacrifice NA driving and I was looking this cam as a possibility. I would not pick it without having the specs for it first as he has a set of ported and milled 5.3's and I would be concerned with P to V clearance. And I would not take anyones word on it. And yes I would double check it before installing it. But thanks for some of the good info.
In addition I sold that G5X2 when the X3 came out and it sold within 4 hours of being online... Maybe what you should do is take the same gamble I did and try it. If you hate it, turn around and sell the cam and get your money back... you have been working on engines since you were 10 so im sure a cam swap wont take you more than a few hours to do, whats a days worth of time to you? If Im wrong then I guess you proved me and the many other LG followers wrong with our assumption that the LG cam is almighty and second to none... and if im right, then I assure you that you will be side by side with Orange peel, myself and many others raving on how awesome this cam is... Ive supplied all I can as far as info on these, and even gone as far as offering locals a ride in the car and even driving it! The cam sells itself, not the "LG Salesmen"
Originally Posted by Inspector12
No you are right not everyone is making a drag car I'm not but I do use it as a good rule of thumb even for street use ETC... And I am aware of the way weather and altitude ETC... can alter the way a car runs we here in Houston area see vey high temps and very humid days so I can tell you it makes a big difference. Of corrse we are at sea level which helps. I'd like to take a ride in that car of yours sound like it runs OK!
Originally Posted by dudas35
I have just never seen so much flagrant worshiping unless you are getting a kickback. It seems like the "Magic" cam with the "Secret" specs that is recommended for almost everyone unless you want to;
1. Use forced Induction
2. Pass emissions
I know this cam must be massive to have to worry about P/V clearance but there is no drivability issues? I have a fairly small cam by those standards and it does not drive anything like it did stock. (and yes it is tuned) I don't mind telling people about an item i like but i tell the whole truth about it, not just the good stuff.
People need advice on making informed decisions on their mods.
I know people on these boards that do get money for promoting items, but even those guys don't go as far as you guys do.
Do i like my cam, yes. Do i like your cam, yes. I know the approx specs for your cam, i just don't know the reason for the big secret. Someone afraid it will get copied?
You don't have to commute to get money for posting.
I know you didn't start the thread, just like all the other cam threads on here the last couple of days.
1. Use forced Induction
2. Pass emissions
I know this cam must be massive to have to worry about P/V clearance but there is no drivability issues? I have a fairly small cam by those standards and it does not drive anything like it did stock. (and yes it is tuned) I don't mind telling people about an item i like but i tell the whole truth about it, not just the good stuff.
People need advice on making informed decisions on their mods.
I know people on these boards that do get money for promoting items, but even those guys don't go as far as you guys do.
Do i like my cam, yes. Do i like your cam, yes. I know the approx specs for your cam, i just don't know the reason for the big secret. Someone afraid it will get copied?
You don't have to commute to get money for posting.
I know you didn't start the thread, just like all the other cam threads on here the last couple of days.
Edit - And yes I am that confident you will love what you see so much that you will leave with a X3 installed in your car
duda - Kick backs, I would love some, this cam package wasn't cheap, but that's not happening. I have NEVER spoke to Lou, ****, anyone at LG. Maybe the reason there aren't any specs out is because the things we are telling people ARE TRUE! And that's what makes this cam so great, and Lou put a lot of time into these cams and doesn't want some dumb lazy **** copying them and selling them for peanuts.
It drives ******* amazing, what else do you want to hear? I wouldn't even be able to tell you what the specs were by driving it, it doesn't drive like a GIGANTIC cam like everyone thinks it is, it drives great, it drives the same or even better than my 224/228 cam did. Why would we tell people something that is false, so they can go buy it, and then turn around and bad mouth/bash the **** out of us and LGM? That's stupid, just look at the posts by the owners of the cam, are we all getting money from LGM?? Get real. We are all car enthusiasts here, we try to help each other out, if you are into ******* people over then that's cool with me, I'm not though. I have been on these boards (LS1.com) since '99 when I got the car, and I know A LOT of people out there in the internet world, and I have never lied about ****, especially something I OWN for ***** sake. If I didn't like it I would tell people, plain and simple.
You don't have to buy one or even think of buying one, that's fine, no need to call us liers.
It drives ******* amazing, what else do you want to hear? I wouldn't even be able to tell you what the specs were by driving it, it doesn't drive like a GIGANTIC cam like everyone thinks it is, it drives great, it drives the same or even better than my 224/228 cam did. Why would we tell people something that is false, so they can go buy it, and then turn around and bad mouth/bash the **** out of us and LGM? That's stupid, just look at the posts by the owners of the cam, are we all getting money from LGM?? Get real. We are all car enthusiasts here, we try to help each other out, if you are into ******* people over then that's cool with me, I'm not though. I have been on these boards (LS1.com) since '99 when I got the car, and I know A LOT of people out there in the internet world, and I have never lied about ****, especially something I OWN for ***** sake. If I didn't like it I would tell people, plain and simple.
You don't have to buy one or even think of buying one, that's fine, no need to call us liers.
Yeah that is ok I am running a Vortech S/C and that is not the setup I am looking for in my car. My friend might decide on one of these for his car though. If he does yeah I'll be installing it and heading back to MTI for a retune ETC.. So we will se what he picks out. By the way I didn't see you say whether or not you are an A4 or a 6spd? I am asumming you are a 6spd but just incase you are not what stall are you running?
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Another thing I noticed, people act like this whole no cam card/specs **** is new, MTI did this a long time ago with the B1, T1, etc cam when they first cam out. When you have a good thing, people don't want other dumb ***** that copy things for a living know
Originally Posted by Inspector12
Yeah that is ok I am running a Vortech S/C and that is not the setup I am looking for in my car. My friend might decide on one of these for his car though. If he does yeah I'll be installing it and heading back to MTI for a retune ETC.. So we will se what he picks out. By the way I didn't see you say whether or not you are an A4 or a 6spd? I am asumming you are a 6spd but just incase you are not what stall are you running?
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From: BFE
Guys,
Some poeple just bash for bashing sake or just pure ignorance. I can speak for myself that I am very interested in the X2.
However from my experience, I know a cam with such high durations and lifts is not the best thing for a stock block and any dealer with good conscience should not recommend it as such. Then again if the owner of the vehicle wants it in his stock motor, what can the dealer do? nothing! You want it, you pay for it, you'll have it.
But there is something in life called a dissagreement (Not Bashing). No one will convince me that a stock LS1 block can handle these parameters with durability in mind. If I change a cam, I would like my motor to last for a reasonable amount of time.
From a previous post (LS6 blocks rev to 6500 all day) well the LS1 is \NOT\ an LS6. There is no doubt in my mind that reving an LS1 to 7000 on a regular basis will kill the motor.
Just because I dissagree with the method some poeple use the cam with doesn't mean I'm a basher, maybe I'm just more reasonable or more patient.
BTW SSOnYourSix do you have any track times? W/Without juice?
Some poeple just bash for bashing sake or just pure ignorance. I can speak for myself that I am very interested in the X2.
However from my experience, I know a cam with such high durations and lifts is not the best thing for a stock block and any dealer with good conscience should not recommend it as such. Then again if the owner of the vehicle wants it in his stock motor, what can the dealer do? nothing! You want it, you pay for it, you'll have it.
But there is something in life called a dissagreement (Not Bashing). No one will convince me that a stock LS1 block can handle these parameters with durability in mind. If I change a cam, I would like my motor to last for a reasonable amount of time.
From a previous post (LS6 blocks rev to 6500 all day) well the LS1 is \NOT\ an LS6. There is no doubt in my mind that reving an LS1 to 7000 on a regular basis will kill the motor.
Just because I dissagree with the method some poeple use the cam with doesn't mean I'm a basher, maybe I'm just more reasonable or more patient.
BTW SSOnYourSix do you have any track times? W/Without juice?
Originally Posted by Quick 99
are you trying to impress old school gearheads? Honestly i dont really think it matters what other ppl think, if your car is faster and you dont know the specs.. does it matter? If lou makes his cams and names them the way he does and sells them the way he does, and you donjt like that, i doulnt buy his cam then, if its that important.. If i were at school still i'd throw mine onto a cam profiler in the shop for my own knowledge, but i dont thnk i'd go shouting it out to everyone... like i said, if he wanted people to know, you'd know.. Just my .02
What I meant was, I don't care if I have a flock of kids or Chevy techs surrounding my car. It gets old! I have to deal with it now with just a freakin lid!
When I mentioned the old school gear heads, I mean I want to show them I don't need a big block with a gutted car and HUGE slicks to run good. That's simply all I meant.
Why I want to know the specs is because I don't want to be left in the dark about what I do with my car. Obviously you've all read my replies and you know all I want to do is learn about what is doing what, and why and how it's doing it. I am NOT going to be that ignorant guys that walks in and says "make it fast". I want to know exactly what i'm spending my money on.
So when all my friends and people from the track who DO understand what all these numbers mean, then I can tell them. Obviously they are going to say "what the hell are specs on that cam? It sounds NASTY!" So I want to be able to tell them. I actually must be the dumbest one in the bunch since I'm the only one of the "group" that doesn't really understand the numbers.
Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
Dont let others scare you by saying the engine will blow at 7000 or the cam will destroy the valvetrain... instead talk to the people raving about the G5X3 in their car that they LOVE driving all the time.
Well said Predator-Z...do I sense an agreement LOL
Last edited by MyLS1Hauls; Jun 3, 2004 at 09:38 AM.
From my understanding, there is no strength difference in the LS6 block to the LS1 block, just better cooling. I may be wrong, but a lot of people are commenting on the block, the rods seem to be the weak point, not the block itself. Hell people are running stock cranks with HIGH amount of HP, they just get forged rods, pistons, etc.
I understand people want the car to be reliable, but it's not like we are driving the car at 7000 RPM all day all night, maybe once a day if that for a split second, hell I haven't gotten on the car at all since the night I installed the cam, that was over a week ago. So the motor will last a while, unless you just constantly flog the thing at high RPM all the time, then it really doesn't matter what cam it is, the motor won't last.
I understand people want the car to be reliable, but it's not like we are driving the car at 7000 RPM all day all night, maybe once a day if that for a split second, hell I haven't gotten on the car at all since the night I installed the cam, that was over a week ago. So the motor will last a while, unless you just constantly flog the thing at high RPM all the time, then it really doesn't matter what cam it is, the motor won't last.
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Originally Posted by Orange Peel
From my understanding, there is no strength difference in the LS6 block to the LS1 block, just better cooling. I may be wrong, but a lot of people are commenting on the block, the rods seem to be the weak point, not the block itself. Hell people are running stock cranks with HIGH amount of HP, they just get forged rods, pistons, etc.
I understand people want the car to be reliable, but it's not like we are driving the car at 7000 RPM all day all night, maybe once a day if that for a split second, hell I haven't gotten on the car at all since the night I installed the cam, that was over a week ago.
So the motor will last a while, unless you just constantly flog the thing at high RPM all the time, then it really doesn't matter what cam it is, the motor won't last.
MYls1Hauls " it's a miracle" LOL
So like I said, the block in itself is fine, the rods, etc in the LS1 are weaker.
I guess, if we actually hit our rev limiters at 7000rpm, so I am sure I end up shifting around 6800-6900 rpm area.
I will be tempted to flog my car silly all day? Not likley, its too hot to do that here, and there's no point with the heat, so I usually drive normal, so I will count on the motor holding together for a while. Atleast until I get my 422 going 
Just like you running the bottle, one day make no mistake about it
That split second is all it takes.
You will be tempted, you will enjoy and one day (no mistake about it)
Just like you running the bottle, one day make no mistake about it
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Originally Posted by Orange Peel
From my understanding, there is no strength difference in the LS6 block to the LS1 block, just better cooling. I may be wrong, but a lot of people are commenting on the block, the rods seem to be the weak point, not the block itself. Hell people are running stock cranks with HIGH amount of HP, they just get forged rods, pistons, etc.
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Originally Posted by Orange Peel
Just like you running the bottle, one day make no mistake about it
Yeap, you got it, LOL. I got a forged 347 shortblock in the works, but that won't be operational for at least 6 months.
However I'm shooting around 150 dry (maybe a little more ??) max rev at 6100 with stock cam.
I learned the hard way, I've killed 2 other motors with 200+ wet (both Y2K's), 1 by spun rod bearing and the other by piston/cylinder wall explosion.
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Guys,
Some poeple just bash for bashing sake or just pure ignorance. I can speak for myself that I am very interested in the X2.
However from my experience, I know a cam with such high durations and lifts is not the best thing for a stock block and any dealer with good conscience should not recommend it as such. Then again if the owner of the vehicle wants it in his stock motor, what can the dealer do? nothing! You want it, you pay for it, you'll have it.
But there is something in life called a dissagreement (Not Bashing). No one will convince me that a stock LS1 block can handle these parameters with durability in mind. If I change a cam, I would like my motor to last for a reasonable amount of time.
From a previous post (LS6 blocks rev to 6500 all day) well the LS1 is \NOT\ an LS6. There is no doubt in my mind that reving an LS1 to 7000 on a regular basis will kill the motor.
Just because I dissagree with the method some poeple use the cam with doesn't mean I'm a basher, maybe I'm just more reasonable or more patient.
BTW SSOnYourSix do you have any track times? W/Without juice?
Some poeple just bash for bashing sake or just pure ignorance. I can speak for myself that I am very interested in the X2.
However from my experience, I know a cam with such high durations and lifts is not the best thing for a stock block and any dealer with good conscience should not recommend it as such. Then again if the owner of the vehicle wants it in his stock motor, what can the dealer do? nothing! You want it, you pay for it, you'll have it.
But there is something in life called a dissagreement (Not Bashing). No one will convince me that a stock LS1 block can handle these parameters with durability in mind. If I change a cam, I would like my motor to last for a reasonable amount of time.
From a previous post (LS6 blocks rev to 6500 all day) well the LS1 is \NOT\ an LS6. There is no doubt in my mind that reving an LS1 to 7000 on a regular basis will kill the motor.
Just because I dissagree with the method some poeple use the cam with doesn't mean I'm a basher, maybe I'm just more reasonable or more patient.
BTW SSOnYourSix do you have any track times? W/Without juice?
Just FYI though all 2001 LS1 cars share parts with the LS6 cars. Rod bolts were upgraded in these years to the new ones and share the same part number now so strengh in the two is identicle... In addition I just came accross a G5X2 114 for sale with a 921 setup that has low miles on it from one of my customers, if you MIGHT be interested let me know, otehrwise if you buy it and hate it im sure you can get exactly what you paid out of it.
Originally Posted by MyLS1Hauls
You are DEAD wrong if you think you can reliably rev the stock bottom end to 7000+. How long have you been doing it to your car? Most get away with it for a while, but its stupid that you're telling others that its ok when its not. Not to mention poor business practices when you dont really know yourself. While I personally have not had a problem, since my rev limiter is set to 6600, I personally have seen two motors that have spun bearings due to bolt stretch and one of them even broke the connecting rod off. Oh well, one day you or a customer of yours will have a rod hanging out of the motor all pissed off. Also, like I said before, I dont hate the G5X cams...I've got nothing against them...I'd be lying if I said I hadn't considered getting one. While they are great performers, they are not for everyone.
Well said Predator-Z...do I sense an agreement LOL
Well said Predator-Z...do I sense an agreement LOL
As I said before, its not 7000 rpm that kills the rod bolts, its the launching at the track, the missing shifts, the pounding shifts, nitrous etc... WHICH WILL HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT RPM YOU SHIFT AT!