G5X3 -vs- F13
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Originally Posted by gomer
LOL.. yea, my car don't make **** for torque either.... I'm going to sit here and wait until someone else posts a dyno graph that shows over 420rwtq that wasn't dyno'd at a "shop dyno"... I guess I'll be here for a while. The only person I can think of is Damian, and guess what cam he's running? ![Nod](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_nod.gif)
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Originally Posted by Orange Peel
Don't you both have aftermarket heads though? That graph of Mike's car is with stock heads, granted Z06 heads, but stock. And it's just shy of the same torque at 3000rpm as Kurtomac's with TEA heads.
Gomer - Aren't your dyno numbers done with short belt, no air filter, and a cutout open? What does a shop dyno mean?
All these cars are making excellent power with cams, it's just personal preference I guess on what cam you choose.
Nice graph Kurtomac, VERY smooth HP graph, looks like you have a decent tune.
What timing are you guys running?? I think we are running around 23 degrees or less here in AZ during the hotter months, plus we can thank CA for their shitty gas, 91 octane MAX with all kinds of crap added to it.
Gomer - Aren't your dyno numbers done with short belt, no air filter, and a cutout open? What does a shop dyno mean?
All these cars are making excellent power with cams, it's just personal preference I guess on what cam you choose.
Nice graph Kurtomac, VERY smooth HP graph, looks like you have a decent tune.
What timing are you guys running?? I think we are running around 23 degrees or less here in AZ during the hotter months, plus we can thank CA for their shitty gas, 91 octane MAX with all kinds of crap added to it.
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What timing are you guys running? Gas? Weather? I don't know what a set of heads would do, but I know the big cams need to breath, so I can only hope that it would pick up something.
We will see what mine does, I have bone stock heads and a 12 bolt with 4.11's, but it won't be pretty with the weather, gas, timing, etc.
Should be near or at 400 RWHP though, it feels a ton stronger than my 224/228 cam and I got 379 RWHP out of that thing.
We will see what mine does, I have bone stock heads and a 12 bolt with 4.11's, but it won't be pretty with the weather, gas, timing, etc.
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Originally Posted by Orange Peel
What timing are you guys running? Gas? Weather? I don't know what a set of heads would do, but I know the big cams need to breath, so I can only hope that it would pick up something.
We will see what mine does, I have bone stock heads and a 12 bolt with 4.11's, but it won't be pretty with the weather, gas, timing, etc.
Should be near or at 400 RWHP though, it feels a ton stronger than my 224/228 cam and I got 379 RWHP out of that thing.
We will see what mine does, I have bone stock heads and a 12 bolt with 4.11's, but it won't be pretty with the weather, gas, timing, etc.
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Amoco 93 oct, drove it off the street with my tune made 428 right off the street let mike from GMMG fool with it and thats the numbers i got, i think the timing it somewhere around 29 degrees....mine is also through a moser 12 bolt 390s heavy focking 18" z06s with airfilter in there
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Nice! Your definitely rocks, I would love to be able to run 29 degrees. Do you know what the HP and TQ would be from 22-23 to 29 degrees? I have the same heavy biotches for wheels, they look nice, but man are they heavy!
Does your Moser whine like a mother ******? Mine does, they setup **** like ***, I also wonder what the difference is between 4.11's to 3.90's as far as noise and on the dyno.
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Originally Posted by Beast96Z
I don't know why some people still compare lift numbers to harsh cams. Just because a cam has big lift, dosen't mean it is a hard cam. I just recieved a cam that was miss ground from what I wanted. It had .630 lift, but the lobes were so soft, you prolly could've gotten away with 918's. The lobes on both of these cams are harsh. Alan uses a grind of his own from cam motion and from what I here, it is as hard, if not harder than a XE-R lobe, which is what LG grinds there X series cams on. In my opinion, the X-3 has to much split at 8 degrees seperation. I prefer 6 or below. Both cams will perform great, but the LG cam will make more peak power due to it being "slightly" bigger. Alan's cam will make more power "under curve", due to the smaller duration and harder lobe. Either way, I'd get both cams ground +4 advance.
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Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
Actually the G5 cams are proven to make the most low end of any cam ive seen yet... including the TR "Torque Cams" As ive done back to back dynos with my customers... G5X2 114 vs a TR220 "Torque Cam" 114 and the G5X2 made more power throughout the powerband, INCLUDING down low.
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Originally Posted by Futral Motorsports
Our cams are LESS aggresive then the Comp XE-R lobes,more close to the LS1-RPM series. Our lobes are designed to be aggresive while still being easy on the valvetrain and turn the RPM if needed. Just because a cam is "more aggressive" dosen't mean its the best cam or will make the most power,so much more then the .200" number
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wow. thanks for making it eaiser guys. im right where I started. although I do conclude that from the graphs 9even without stock heads) that teh fM has more power under the curve and the lG has more peak. i woul djust really love to see two stock head dynos to compare because those graphs were lS6 heads and SII heads.
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I believe the G5x3 will beat the FM13 hands down in all parts of the graph. The only disadvantage of the g5x3 is that it will be harder on the valve springs and that is it!!!!!!!!!! I do not even run a g5x3 that is what I have heard about it and seen in the graphs!!! They both have radical lobes and the only reason the g5x3 wins is because of the higher lift and greater duration. I personaly run a tsp 231/237 and have no complaints.
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Click on this link, then click Scotts Dyno graph.
http://community.webshots.com/user/cammin
Thats an FMS 228 SINGLE pattern. STOCK heads, steel driveshaft, all bolt ons and 10 bolt with 4:10s.
http://community.webshots.com/user/cammin
Thats an FMS 228 SINGLE pattern. STOCK heads, steel driveshaft, all bolt ons and 10 bolt with 4:10s.
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Originally Posted by 52172
I believe the G5x3 will beat the FM13 hands down in all parts of the graph. The only disadvantage of the g5x3 is that it will be harder on the valve springs and that is it!!!!!!!!!! I do not even run a g5x3 that is what I have heard about it and seen in the graphs!!! They both have radical lobes and the only reason the g5x3 wins is because of the higher lift and greater duration. I personaly run a tsp 231/237 and have no complaints.
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Shane, thats a local buddy of minel. The 228 is not the F13. As said the F13 is the 230/232. The car in the graph has a nice lope to it, but drives completely stock. Awesome cam to say the least.
Im a firm believer in FMS products. Allan puts alot of work/thought into EVERYTHING he does.
O yea, Lou is a great guy too
Im a firm believer in FMS products. Allan puts alot of work/thought into EVERYTHING he does.
O yea, Lou is a great guy too