THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market
03-15-2003, 08:16 PM
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THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market Everybody knows that we have been working on our new camshaft for sometime now. Well, the M2 has arrived. We started on thursday morning by making a few baseline pulls on the F1 cam that was already in place in our test vehicle. The net result was 429hp / 393tq and that was the best of 5 pulls. We then yanked the F1 and replaced it with the M2 and stuck the car back on the dyno. All of this happened on the same day with no other changes to the car except for just the cam swap. The early results were 447hp / 400tq with the rev limiter rasied but with NO TUNING. That is a net gain of 18 rwhp and 7 rwtq over the F1.
Chris Marsh was nice enough to come out and assist us with a little LS1-edit tuning. We tuned the car with and without the exhaust.
Through the full exhaust the car pulled 450.8/406.1 SAE corrected
Through open headers the car put down 455.0/411.2 SAE corrected
Mods
MMT Stage 2 LS1 heads (2.055/1.60)
M2 camshaft (228/234 .607/.598 110 LSA +2)
LS6 intake
G-hann longtubes w/ 3" Y-pipe with 2 bullet mufflers into a 4" Mufflex with ANOTHER 4" Edelbrock muffler out back(Yes 3 mufflers)
ASP Pulley
MMT Airbox Lid w/ Holley Filter
SLP 85mm MAF
TR-6 plugs w/ Stock plug wires
Ram 6000 series clutch
Moser 12-bolt w/ 33 spline axles and 4.11's
Bone stock 346 shortblock.
All pulls were made on 11" Grandsport wheels with 315 Nitto DR's at 28 psi. All belts were in place, no shortbelt, the AC belt was even on the car. Basically NO DYNO TRICKS WHATSOEVER!!!! :worship:
This camshaft is a result of hours of R&D and a relentless pursuit of the ultimate LS series camshaft on the market. Guess what, we have achieved our goal.
I know there will be questions feel free to ask away.
MMT
Chris Marsh was nice enough to come out and assist us with a little LS1-edit tuning. We tuned the car with and without the exhaust.
Through the full exhaust the car pulled 450.8/406.1 SAE corrected
Through open headers the car put down 455.0/411.2 SAE corrected
Mods
MMT Stage 2 LS1 heads (2.055/1.60)
M2 camshaft (228/234 .607/.598 110 LSA +2)
LS6 intake
G-hann longtubes w/ 3" Y-pipe with 2 bullet mufflers into a 4" Mufflex with ANOTHER 4" Edelbrock muffler out back(Yes 3 mufflers)
ASP Pulley
MMT Airbox Lid w/ Holley Filter
SLP 85mm MAF
TR-6 plugs w/ Stock plug wires
Ram 6000 series clutch
Moser 12-bolt w/ 33 spline axles and 4.11's
Bone stock 346 shortblock.
All pulls were made on 11" Grandsport wheels with 315 Nitto DR's at 28 psi. All belts were in place, no shortbelt, the AC belt was even on the car. Basically NO DYNO TRICKS WHATSOEVER!!!! :worship:
This camshaft is a result of hours of R&D and a relentless pursuit of the ultimate LS series camshaft on the market. Guess what, we have achieved our goal.
I know there will be questions feel free to ask away.
MMT
03-15-2003, 08:24 PM
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by KECHME:
<strong> Everybody knows that we have been working on our new camshaft for sometime now. Well, the M2 has arrived. We started on thursday morning by making a few baseline pulls on the F1 cam that was already in place in our test vehicle. The net result was 429hp / 393tq and that was the best of 5 pulls. We then yanked the F1 and replaced it with the M2 and stuck the car back on the dyno. All of this happened on the same day with no other changes to the car except for just the cam swap. The early results were 447hp / 400tq with the rev limiter rasied but with NO TUNING. That is a net gain of 18 rwhp and 7 rwtq over the F1.
Chris Marsh was nice enough to come out and assist us with a little LS1-edit tuning. We tuned the car with and without the exhaust.
Through the full exhaust the car pulled 450.8/406.1 SAE corrected
Through open headers the car put down 455.0/411.2 SAE corrected
Mods
MMT Stage 2 LS1 heads (2.055/1.60)
M2 camshaft (228/234 .607/.598 110 LSA +2)
LS6 intake
G-hann longtubes w/ 3" Y-pipe with 2 bullet mufflers into a 4" Mufflex with ANOTHER 4" Edelbrock muffler out back(Yes 3 mufflers)
ASP Pulley
MMT Airbox Lid w/ Holley Filter
SLP 85mm MAF
TR-6 plugs w/ Stock plug wires
Ram 6000 series clutch
Moser 12-bolt w/ 33 spline axles and 4.11's
Bone stock 346 shortblock.
All pulls were made on 11" Grandsport wheels with 315 Nitto DR's at 28 psi. All belts were in place, no shortbelt, the AC belt was even on the car. Basically NO DYNO TRICKS WHATSOEVER!!!! :worship:
This camshaft is a result of hours of R&D and a relentless pursuit of the ultimate LS series camshaft on the market. Guess what, we have achieved our goal.
I know there will be questions feel free to ask away.
MMT </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OMG those numbers are awesome!! Put on some S2 LS6 heads see what she can do!! <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />
<strong> Everybody knows that we have been working on our new camshaft for sometime now. Well, the M2 has arrived. We started on thursday morning by making a few baseline pulls on the F1 cam that was already in place in our test vehicle. The net result was 429hp / 393tq and that was the best of 5 pulls. We then yanked the F1 and replaced it with the M2 and stuck the car back on the dyno. All of this happened on the same day with no other changes to the car except for just the cam swap. The early results were 447hp / 400tq with the rev limiter rasied but with NO TUNING. That is a net gain of 18 rwhp and 7 rwtq over the F1.
Chris Marsh was nice enough to come out and assist us with a little LS1-edit tuning. We tuned the car with and without the exhaust.
Through the full exhaust the car pulled 450.8/406.1 SAE corrected
Through open headers the car put down 455.0/411.2 SAE corrected
Mods
MMT Stage 2 LS1 heads (2.055/1.60)
M2 camshaft (228/234 .607/.598 110 LSA +2)
LS6 intake
G-hann longtubes w/ 3" Y-pipe with 2 bullet mufflers into a 4" Mufflex with ANOTHER 4" Edelbrock muffler out back(Yes 3 mufflers)
ASP Pulley
MMT Airbox Lid w/ Holley Filter
SLP 85mm MAF
TR-6 plugs w/ Stock plug wires
Ram 6000 series clutch
Moser 12-bolt w/ 33 spline axles and 4.11's
Bone stock 346 shortblock.
All pulls were made on 11" Grandsport wheels with 315 Nitto DR's at 28 psi. All belts were in place, no shortbelt, the AC belt was even on the car. Basically NO DYNO TRICKS WHATSOEVER!!!! :worship:
This camshaft is a result of hours of R&D and a relentless pursuit of the ultimate LS series camshaft on the market. Guess what, we have achieved our goal.
I know there will be questions feel free to ask away.
MMT </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OMG those numbers are awesome!! Put on some S2 LS6 heads see what she can do!! <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SNAXS:
<strong> Oh, when are their gunna be track times? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">On the way, just gotta get the car to the track. We already have like 5 of the cams going in vehicles by the end of the week. It will take a short while to get the cams in circulation and out to the track.
<strong> Oh, when are their gunna be track times? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">On the way, just gotta get the car to the track. We already have like 5 of the cams going in vehicles by the end of the week. It will take a short while to get the cams in circulation and out to the track.
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market Well Let's see.
Take a G5 cam 224/230 Add 4 degrees, and there is your R&D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Immitation is the best form of flattery.
My god, you are brilliant!
What happened to the "reverse split" no torque cam theory that you invented. Forgot, that was the MTI +1 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
LG
Take a G5 cam 224/230 Add 4 degrees, and there is your R&D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Immitation is the best form of flattery.
My god, you are brilliant!
What happened to the "reverse split" no torque cam theory that you invented. Forgot, that was the MTI +1 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
LG
03-15-2003, 08:35 PM
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market Sean, excellent numbers! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Those are some great gains over an already well-proven cam. Keep up the good work.
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market lol the cam wars
"return of the duration"
In all seriousness I can't wait to see which one comes out on top
"return of the duration"
In all seriousness I can't wait to see which one comes out on top
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market Dude, this is that same test car as the F1 is it not? Im a little lost...What happened to the 445/40x it put down before? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
As far as it being stock, I KNOW that that motor went through a rebuild not too long ago <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> so please tell all the facts!
Im not doubting the power, just the fact that your not telling the whole truth.
Whats PTV like? Flycutting seems necessary with that much lift, and how much did you mill the heads?( MTI heads I believe <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> )
Nice numbers, and Ill be waiting for a # on the next few cars if they let you continue to post since youre not a sponsor <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
As far as it being stock, I KNOW that that motor went through a rebuild not too long ago <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> so please tell all the facts!
Im not doubting the power, just the fact that your not telling the whole truth.
Whats PTV like? Flycutting seems necessary with that much lift, and how much did you mill the heads?( MTI heads I believe <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> )
Nice numbers, and Ill be waiting for a # on the next few cars if they let you continue to post since youre not a sponsor <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
<strong> Well Let's see.
Take a G5 cam 224/230 Add 4 degrees, and there is your R&D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Immitation is the best form of flattery.
My god, you are brilliant!
What happened to the "reverse split" no torque cam theory that you invented. Forgot, that was the MTI +1 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
LG </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lou, you must be angry that your cookie cutter XER lobe, out of the book, $260 COMP cam is no match for this race inspired beast. If you doubt that this cam is superior I say we have a cam show down at your place. I'll bring my car over and we can dyno back to back on YOUR dyno. My only request would be that your car be an F body with ported LS1 heads and your G5X 2 cam. I already know the tell of the tape and would be willing to prove it to you on YOUR dyno or mine.
<strong> Well Let's see.
Take a G5 cam 224/230 Add 4 degrees, and there is your R&D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Immitation is the best form of flattery.
My god, you are brilliant!
What happened to the "reverse split" no torque cam theory that you invented. Forgot, that was the MTI +1 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
LG </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lou, you must be angry that your cookie cutter XER lobe, out of the book, $260 COMP cam is no match for this race inspired beast. If you doubt that this cam is superior I say we have a cam show down at your place. I'll bring my car over and we can dyno back to back on YOUR dyno. My only request would be that your car be an F body with ported LS1 heads and your G5X 2 cam. I already know the tell of the tape and would be willing to prove it to you on YOUR dyno or mine.
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fly By:
<strong> Dude, this is that same test car as the F1 is it not? Im a little lost...What happened to the 445/40x it put down before? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
As far as it being stock, I KNOW that that motor went through a rebuild not too long ago <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> so please tell all the facts!
Im not doubting the power, just the fact that your not telling the whole truth.
Whats PTV like? Flycutting seems necessary with that much lift, and how much did you mill the heads?( MTI heads I believe <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> )
Nice numbers, and Ill be waiting for a # on the next few cars if they let you continue to post since youre not a sponsor <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The bottom end is stock, right down to the rings and bearings, the STOCK pistons have been fly cut because the heads have been milled . This is a fresh bottom end, and after the build the car would only put down #'s in the 430's. I assume it's because the engine is a little tighter than before. The heads are milled .035 and they are MMT stage 2's not MTI's we took care of that when Matt did some damage playin with the spray about a month ago. I am not expecting you guys to just swallow this with a grain of salt and just take my word for it, track times to come.
<strong> Dude, this is that same test car as the F1 is it not? Im a little lost...What happened to the 445/40x it put down before? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
As far as it being stock, I KNOW that that motor went through a rebuild not too long ago <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> so please tell all the facts!
Im not doubting the power, just the fact that your not telling the whole truth.
Whats PTV like? Flycutting seems necessary with that much lift, and how much did you mill the heads?( MTI heads I believe <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> )
Nice numbers, and Ill be waiting for a # on the next few cars if they let you continue to post since youre not a sponsor <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The bottom end is stock, right down to the rings and bearings, the STOCK pistons have been fly cut because the heads have been milled . This is a fresh bottom end, and after the build the car would only put down #'s in the 430's. I assume it's because the engine is a little tighter than before. The heads are milled .035 and they are MMT stage 2's not MTI's we took care of that when Matt did some damage playin with the spray about a month ago. I am not expecting you guys to just swallow this with a grain of salt and just take my word for it, track times to come.
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market kechme, first off, congrats on some killer #s! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
<strong> Well Let's see.
Take a G5 cam 224/230 Add 4 degrees, and there is your R&D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Immitation is the best form of flattery.
My god, you are brilliant!
What happened to the "reverse split" no torque cam theory that you invented. Forgot, that was the MTI +1 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
LG </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">lg, you must have some sort of inferiority complex. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> just because his cam has a bias of 6degrees between the intake and the exhaust, does this mean he was copying the g5?? WTF ever!! so, this means everyone with a 6degree split is copying the g5, according to lg. <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> grow up and get with the real world. <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> why would he copy a cam that made no power and drove like crap anyways?
<small>[ March 15, 2003, 09:01 PM: Message edited by: wicked LS1 Z28 ]</small>
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
<strong> Well Let's see.
Take a G5 cam 224/230 Add 4 degrees, and there is your R&D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Immitation is the best form of flattery.
My god, you are brilliant!
What happened to the "reverse split" no torque cam theory that you invented. Forgot, that was the MTI +1 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
LG </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">lg, you must have some sort of inferiority complex. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> just because his cam has a bias of 6degrees between the intake and the exhaust, does this mean he was copying the g5?? WTF ever!! so, this means everyone with a 6degree split is copying the g5, according to lg. <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> grow up and get with the real world. <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> why would he copy a cam that made no power and drove like crap anyways?
<small>[ March 15, 2003, 09:01 PM: Message edited by: wicked LS1 Z28 ]</small>
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
<strong> Well Let's see.
Take a G5 cam 224/230 Add 4 degrees, and there is your R&D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Immitation is the best form of flattery.
My god, you are brilliant!
What happened to the "reverse split" no torque cam theory that you invented. Forgot, that was the MTI +1 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
LG </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Come on now, you can easily tell by the lift numbers that the cam is not even on the same lobe series as the G5, not to mention your cam had different ramp rates between the intake and exhaust. I would think a cam guru like yourself would not get hung up on only .050" duration numbers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
<strong> Well Let's see.
Take a G5 cam 224/230 Add 4 degrees, and there is your R&D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Immitation is the best form of flattery.
My god, you are brilliant!
What happened to the "reverse split" no torque cam theory that you invented. Forgot, that was the MTI +1 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
LG </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Come on now, you can easily tell by the lift numbers that the cam is not even on the same lobe series as the G5, not to mention your cam had different ramp rates between the intake and exhaust. I would think a cam guru like yourself would not get hung up on only .050" duration numbers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by KECHME:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
<strong> Well Let's see.
Take a G5 cam 224/230 Add 4 degrees, and there is your R&D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Immitation is the best form of flattery.
My god, you are brilliant!
What happened to the "reverse split" no torque cam theory that you invented. Forgot, that was the MTI +1 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
LG </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you doubt that this cam is superior I say we have a cam show down at your place. I'll bring my car over and we can dyno back to back on YOUR dyno. My only request would be that your car be an F body with ported LS1 heads and your G5X 2 cam. I already know the tell of the tape and would be willing to prove it to you on YOUR dyno or mine. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Its ON! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
<strong> Well Let's see.
Take a G5 cam 224/230 Add 4 degrees, and there is your R&D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Immitation is the best form of flattery.
My god, you are brilliant!
What happened to the "reverse split" no torque cam theory that you invented. Forgot, that was the MTI +1 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
LG </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you doubt that this cam is superior I say we have a cam show down at your place. I'll bring my car over and we can dyno back to back on YOUR dyno. My only request would be that your car be an F body with ported LS1 heads and your G5X 2 cam. I already know the tell of the tape and would be willing to prove it to you on YOUR dyno or mine. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Its ON! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market Lou, why do you constantly make yourself look so jealous and angry? it makes you look like a 3rd rate company, and i honestly know you are not, but with remarks like that i dont consider that professional at all.
IMHO i dont doubt the big big cams (and i used to think mine was too big at 230/230) on well ported heads, but the drivability (i am talking real world daily driver here) is just a lot to take. i assume you will admit it isnt for the daily driver?
But i will say congrats on the dyno numbers. now lets see her rip down teh track.
IMHO i dont doubt the big big cams (and i used to think mine was too big at 230/230) on well ported heads, but the drivability (i am talking real world daily driver here) is just a lot to take. i assume you will admit it isnt for the daily driver?
But i will say congrats on the dyno numbers. now lets see her rip down teh track.
03-16-2003, 01:21 AM
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market Sean, we will be at the shop tomorrow (Sunday). You are welcomed to come over and put it on the dyno. I will be the first to congratulate you if your numbers bear out.
You could come back with some "snappy" derogatory remark, and well, so be it. Or you can prove to the world that your numbers are what you say they are.
I know, all the excuses, but the dyno is open. We will pull rageman's car off the dyno and give you priority.
See you tomorrow.
LG
<small>[ March 16, 2003, 01:22 AM: Message edited by: LG Motorsports ]</small>
You could come back with some "snappy" derogatory remark, and well, so be it. Or you can prove to the world that your numbers are what you say they are.
I know, all the excuses, but the dyno is open. We will pull rageman's car off the dyno and give you priority.
See you tomorrow.
LG
<small>[ March 16, 2003, 01:22 AM: Message edited by: LG Motorsports ]</small>
03-16-2003, 01:36 AM
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
<strong> Well Let's see.
Take a G5 cam 224/230 Add 4 degrees, and there is your R&D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Immitation is the best form of flattery.
My god, you are brilliant!
What happened to the "reverse split" no torque cam theory that you invented. Forgot, that was the MTI +1 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
LG </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">All right I have seen enough. Delete my thread if you like but here is how I see it. I have been on the LS1 board since they have been around and I have never seen anyone let alone a sponsor act this way. This crap has been going on for over a week. Lou you are being a whinny little bit(h. Just drop it and shut the hell up about everyone wanting to be like you. Nobody wants to be you or copy you. Do you think that you invented the camshaft? Well I hate to tell you this but you didn't. Just because someone else makes a new cam that made a little more power than your G5XYZ doesn't make them cheats. All they did was just take what you thought was good enough and made it better. Although using different lobes than yours. Your loss is their gain in my book. How about this nobody is allowed to grind a new cam without the written consent of the camshaft God Lou. Now I see why they changed the rules in the Trans Am series to get rid of you.
KECHME sorry I did this in your post. Congrats on the great numbers I wish you the best of luck at the track. Let us know ASAP what the beast runs.
Jason
<strong> Well Let's see.
Take a G5 cam 224/230 Add 4 degrees, and there is your R&D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Immitation is the best form of flattery.
My god, you are brilliant!
What happened to the "reverse split" no torque cam theory that you invented. Forgot, that was the MTI +1 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
LG </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">All right I have seen enough. Delete my thread if you like but here is how I see it. I have been on the LS1 board since they have been around and I have never seen anyone let alone a sponsor act this way. This crap has been going on for over a week. Lou you are being a whinny little bit(h. Just drop it and shut the hell up about everyone wanting to be like you. Nobody wants to be you or copy you. Do you think that you invented the camshaft? Well I hate to tell you this but you didn't. Just because someone else makes a new cam that made a little more power than your G5XYZ doesn't make them cheats. All they did was just take what you thought was good enough and made it better. Although using different lobes than yours. Your loss is their gain in my book. How about this nobody is allowed to grind a new cam without the written consent of the camshaft God Lou. Now I see why they changed the rules in the Trans Am series to get rid of you.
KECHME sorry I did this in your post. Congrats on the great numbers I wish you the best of luck at the track. Let us know ASAP what the beast runs.
Jason
03-16-2003, 01:41 AM
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market OOOOOh, a 'Who's weenie is bigger contest.'
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03-16-2003, 01:42 AM
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by KECHME:
<strong> Lou, you must be angry that your cookie cutter XER lobe, out of the book, $260 COMP cam is no match for this race inspired beast. If you doubt that this cam is superior I say we have a cam show down at your place. I'll bring my car over and we can dyno back to back on YOUR dyno. My only request would be that your car be an F body with ported LS1 heads and your G5X 2 cam. I already know the tell of the tape and would be willing to prove it to you on YOUR dyno or mine. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not to start any more $h!+, but am I missing something here?? https://ls1tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...c;f=1;t=011600
Looks to me like LG met the challenge before it was issued, and came out with a little more torque, too.
Like I said, I am not trying to start any more trouble here and I am not attempting to hijack a thread; a challenge was issued (by the starter of this thread), and this post (IMO) is pertinent to that challenge.
Unless there is something that I am missing here on Glenn's dyno (which I have to admit is a possibility) or the latest results from MMT.
<strong> Lou, you must be angry that your cookie cutter XER lobe, out of the book, $260 COMP cam is no match for this race inspired beast. If you doubt that this cam is superior I say we have a cam show down at your place. I'll bring my car over and we can dyno back to back on YOUR dyno. My only request would be that your car be an F body with ported LS1 heads and your G5X 2 cam. I already know the tell of the tape and would be willing to prove it to you on YOUR dyno or mine. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not to start any more $h!+, but am I missing something here?? https://ls1tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...c;f=1;t=011600
Looks to me like LG met the challenge before it was issued, and came out with a little more torque, too.
Like I said, I am not trying to start any more trouble here and I am not attempting to hijack a thread; a challenge was issued (by the starter of this thread), and this post (IMO) is pertinent to that challenge.
Unless there is something that I am missing here on Glenn's dyno (which I have to admit is a possibility) or the latest results from MMT.
03-16-2003, 01:48 AM
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Re: THE cam has arrived, M2 the most powerful LS1 camshaft on the market Very nice numbers, that cam is working! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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