BTR VS Tick Performance Cam
BTR VS Tick Performance Cam I am currently rebuilding my whole engine due to a lifter failure so it's time for a new camshaft since the lifter destroyed my MS3 cam. I have emailed both companies and spoke to martin. They both told me that I do not need a custom specd cam from them due to my setup. I was recommended a BTR stage 4 and the SNS Torquemax Stage 3. I am just wondering what you guys would suggest between the 2 and why. I like both companies a lot and have already spent money with both of them. The usage of the car and specs of it well be down below.
BTR Stage 4: 235/242 .621"/.592" 111+3
Torquemax SNS Stage 3: 235/243 .62x"/.62x" LSA111+2
I am looking for a camshaft that will perform the best in the 1/4 mile. The car will still be driven on the street a lot but it won't be a complete daily driver. More worried about performance than drivability due to having good tuners in my area.
It is a 1999 full weight camaro m6. It has 3.73s in it right now but will be upgrading to 4.10 or 4.30s when I get a 9in so gearing for a big cam is not an issue for me.
The car will have a ls1 that is bored to a 3.905 with stock like hyperutectic pistons, Stock 243 heads with a valve job, 1 7/8 LTs with TSP true duals, LS6 intake, TPIS ported/polished TB, SLP Lid
BTR Stage 4: 235/242 .621"/.592" 111+3
Torquemax SNS Stage 3: 235/243 .62x"/.62x" LSA111+2
I am looking for a camshaft that will perform the best in the 1/4 mile. The car will still be driven on the street a lot but it won't be a complete daily driver. More worried about performance than drivability due to having good tuners in my area.
It is a 1999 full weight camaro m6. It has 3.73s in it right now but will be upgrading to 4.10 or 4.30s when I get a 9in so gearing for a big cam is not an issue for me.
The car will have a ls1 that is bored to a 3.905 with stock like hyperutectic pistons, Stock 243 heads with a valve job, 1 7/8 LTs with TSP true duals, LS6 intake, TPIS ported/polished TB, SLP Lid
Last edited by Camaro9781; Jul 16, 2015 at 12:14 PM.
To me there is very little appreciable difference between the two. The tick might carry just touch more past peak due to a bit less advance and a bit more overlap. It would be subtle though
Both cams will perform well. What heads do you have? If you're running stock heads, I'd opt for the cam with the lower intake and exhaust lift, as it's going to be wasted on heads that don't flow well in the higher lift areas.
my thoughts as well, really can't go wrong with either stick. I have dealt with both Brian Tooley and Martin Smallwood, outstanding guys|vendors. I know that get's said about a lot of vendors, but it can't be said enough about those two.
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I agree with these guys that difference between the 2 is probably not even measurable, so out of those 2 choices either one is as fine as the other. I run a cam almost identical to the MS3 but it has 4 degrees advance which brings the power in earlier. I really like it a lot with my setup
For me the deciding factor would be whose core it is. I think Tick uses cam motion to grind. I don't know who BTR uses. If BTR uses comp I would go with the tick. Kip cam doctors all his cams and has excellent cores. If both use cam motion, then flip a coin I guess.
I think the buyer has the option with Tick to have it ground on a Comp or Cam Motion core. It was not that way when I purchased my Tick cam, as they solely used Comp.
I'm leaning towards the BTR cam now because of the less lift with my stock heads. Is the difference between cam motion and comp cams core that big of a difference with longevity?
Get the compression up and you will gain some low end.
My personal opinion that you may not give to ***** about(lol) is that setup is going to leave a lot to be desired. I would put money into the heads...full port, milled for higher compression, and go with a tad smaller cam. Btr stage 3? The care will drive better all around and be faster.
My personal opinion that you may not give to ***** about(lol) is that setup is going to leave a lot to be desired. I would put money into the heads...full port, milled for higher compression, and go with a tad smaller cam. Btr stage 3? The care will drive better all around and be faster.
Here it is if you want to go through it.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...comp-cams.html
Get the compression up and you will gain some low end.
My personal opinion that you may not give to ***** about(lol) is that setup is going to leave a lot to be desired. I would put money into the heads...full port, milled for higher compression, and go with a tad smaller cam. Btr stage 3? The care will drive better all around and be faster.
My personal opinion that you may not give to ***** about(lol) is that setup is going to leave a lot to be desired. I would put money into the heads...full port, milled for higher compression, and go with a tad smaller cam. Btr stage 3? The care will drive better all around and be faster.
Comps cores are 5150. Used to be called spring steel. Fine for everyday stuff but if you plan to beat the engine up a bit, not the best. Cam motion offers 8660 and hardened 8620. 8620 hardened is going to be the best. 8660 will still be far tougher than 5150 due to molybdenum and nickel additions to the steel.
Trust me I would love nothing better than to do that but I am a college student that is just trying to get his car back together with a little more power than his stock 853 head ms3 cam only car that blew up. And in the middle of all of this I am having to rebuild and beef up my t56 which I'm in the middle of right now. So needless to say I'm broke as hell. The tiny little extra bore and going from the 853 combustion chamber to the 243 should be a little help with raising the compression. I may go with a thinner gasket too but I'm not sure yet.
Well cam motion it is then. I remember hearing a lot of bad stuff about comps flat tappet stuff. Didn't realize it carried over to there roller cams. And only thing I am worried about with the 040 gasket is PTV issues with that big of a cam..
quick stupid question here. when measuring PTV do you want to torque the head down to spec before measuring or can you put the head on with the head gasket and snug a few bolts in
quick stupid question here. when measuring PTV do you want to torque the head down to spec before measuring or can you put the head on with the head gasket and snug a few bolts in
They are essentially the same cam, you won't notice a differece between either of them. I disagree with the guy above, these two cams are a good compromise coming from the ms3. You already plan on going with more gear, and these cams will be much better in the low/mid range than the ms3. Its still going to be a cam with 16 degrees of overlap, but not a problem with gearing and a good tuner. I would pick whoever gave you the best customer support and roll with it. Don't overthink this.