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Old Dec 13, 2015 | 02:44 PM
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I'd definitely get the 241's ported with a custom "stock" sounding cam. I'd look for other things to make it faster other than power.
Do This - you won't regret it. Specs in my signature for my custom cam.
Mine is not "perfectly smooth" but very close and no one has ever known I have a cam. More HP than the LS6. A custom grind w/LSA 116 should do the trick and give you more power than a stock LS6 cam. I almost went LS6 but I'm glad I went with custom instead an LS6 cam. Pulls strong yet near stock idle.

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Old Dec 13, 2015 | 03:51 PM
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Would swapping the cam not be considered cheating? If you stick to stock parts sure but porting and such kinda takes the challenge away.
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Old Dec 13, 2015 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Exidous
Would swapping the cam not be considered cheating? If you stick to stock parts sure but porting and such kinda takes the challenge away.

He wants to win. He's ran out of parts that are legal.
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Old Dec 13, 2015 | 09:48 PM
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^^^^im out of options and the other people are cheating in the class also. Just not able to physical prove it, so if ya can't beat them, you join them.
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Old Dec 13, 2015 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 2 fast 2000
^^^^im out of options and the other people are cheating in the class also. Just not able to physical prove it, so if ya can't beat them, you join them.
Do it bro. Port the heads, intake, TB, mild cam, and a gear. They won't touch you if they are close to stock.
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Old Dec 13, 2015 | 09:56 PM
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What type of 60ft and et are you turning? You can pm if needed.
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Old Dec 13, 2015 | 10:32 PM
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60ft are anywhere from 1.90-2.0. I forgot to add we are on stock size and tread compound radial tires (non drag radial or soft tire).
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Old Dec 13, 2015 | 10:36 PM
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Do y'all use any glue to help them hook?
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Old Dec 13, 2015 | 10:50 PM
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Yes, there is traction compound but you can only achieve so much on a 275/40/17 before they decide to break loose.
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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 05:47 AM
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If you are required to be *stock* then LS6 cam and ported/milled LS6 heads (with hollow valves) would fit the definition of *stock*... you might look into low lash solid roller lifters to extend your rpm.

Your tune would run peak power slightly leaner than peak torque, and it would run slightly more timing throughout with a thermostat.

Also, what can you remove from car to lose weight (donut spare, jack, rear seat back)...?
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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 06:09 AM
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Some AI ported 241 heads and their 214/224 .600"/.583" 117 cam would make great power and fly under the radar.
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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by joecar
If you are required to be *stock* then LS6 cam and ported/milled LS6 heads (with hollow valves) would fit the definition of *stock*... you might look into low lash solid roller lifters to extend your rpm.

Your tune would run peak power slightly leaner than peak torque, and it would run slightly more timing throughout with a thermostat.

Also, what can you remove from car to lose weight (donut spare, jack, rear seat back)...?
That's a really good idea, except that you lose duration with solid lifters. You would want to go about 8 degrees bigger on duration if you went LLSR, but then, yes, your RPM range would be extended.
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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by LilJayV10
WTF?
Exactly...biggest pile of BS I seen posted in years. Real nice comparing 18yr old technology against 5yr old technology. I would say GM's old pushrod 346 fairs well in that regard.
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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by kinglt-1
Exactly...biggest pile of BS I seen posted in years. Real nice comparing 18yr old technology against 5yr old technology. I would say GM's old pushrod 346 fairs well in that regard.
My point stands as intended, sorry that some had a difficult time comprehending.

4cam motors have much more accurate valve control due to lack of pushrods which allows power to be made much more freely.

Never said the gen 3 couldn't fair, it just can't fair easily with the OP's request.
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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by brobinson216
Let them figure out cam timing, and that nose will turn into a set of tail lamps.

4 cam motors just love high rpm's while continuing to make power. It's an uphill battle for a pushrod v8.

I would contact a vendor and ask them for some help. Remember when trying to achieve high rpm power from a pushrod motor; valve control is key. "Key to extra secret power"
Originally Posted by joecar
If you are required to be *stock* then LS6 cam and ported/milled LS6 heads (with hollow valves) would fit the definition of *stock*... you might look into low lash solid roller lifters to extend your rpm.
This guy gets it.
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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by brobinson216



This guy gets it.
Unlike you Ford fan boy. Go to any dragstrip and look at the 4 sec 1/8 mile cars and see how many don't have pushrods and a single cam.
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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 346only
Unlike you Ford fan boy. Go to any dragstrip and look at the 4 sec 1/8 mile cars and see how many don't have pushrods and a single cam.
So now we have moved to name calling and 5" bore centers.
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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 01:53 PM
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I know it's been beaten to death because I have searched the forums through and through. I still haven't really found what I'm looking for. I race a local race that my LS1 has to stay stock internally. I'm allowed a full exhaust and cold air intake as far as the motor is concerned. Is there anybody out there making a cam that will increase power with a Absolute stock sound? I don't really care as far huge Dyno numbers. I need a little edge. I'm going to do some head work as well because it is undetectable and a tune as well. Car is a 2002 WS6 if anybody is curious. I know I'm cheating before anybody decides to bust my *****, but there is some 2015 coyotes with a full exhaust and some secret tunes and they are barely edging me out. Can a brotha get some help? Any info will be greatly appreciated.
We have a custom ground cam from Bullet in our 2004 C5 LS1 that we put in to run IHRA Stock Eliminator (Pure Stock). Cam has to retain stock lift and stock duration as delivered from factory. Bullet is amazing at these cams. It made 372 rwhp through an auto and big converter. Sounds completely stock also. Best 60' is 1.50' and best ET is 11.58 with the rest of the LS1 bone stock.

FWIW I'm getting ready to take this cam out and go bigger if you're interested. The cam has less than 200 street miles and probably 20 1/4 mile passes. I'll make you a great deal on the cam and PAC springs if you're interested.

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Old Dec 14, 2015 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
That's a really good idea, except that you lose duration with solid lifters. You would want to go about 8 degrees bigger on duration if you went LLSR, but then, yes, your RPM range would be extended.
What about limited travel lifters...?
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Originally Posted by joecar
What about limited travel lifters...?
Limited travel lifters are great. I run them. Johnson 2126ST's

But don't misunderstand, I thought your idea was a great one. Just have to remember that the presence of valve lash means you would have to run more duration to get the same "duration" as you would with a hydraulic set up. So, you'd order a cam that was basically LS6 durations + 8 degrees, and then you'd need the adjustable rockers - or do what Thunderstruck is doing in his thread.

For the ease of installation, I would go with short travels and a stock-ish cam, but if I had the time and money to throw at this type of racing, then I would go LLSR and follow Thunderstruck's thread
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