Time for a top end change
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Time for a top end change Ive gotten bored to the fact of what my package is but im really satisfied with how it has been running. Now i was sitting at 3980 race weight and will be sitting at 3780 in the next few weeks. On Nelson Performance dyno it went 389/329 and previous weight went 11.9x's @ 110.
Current top end is 228R-112, 243 heads (Home ported) milled .012 with .040 cometics, ported fast 90 with ls2 tb, pacesetter 1 3/4" headers.
Now i need to get a current time and trap with the 140# drop of rotational weight (140# drop in weight of wheels and tires) plus 55# of plain static weight. The rotational weight should give me a good bit.
I plan to go to 1 7/8" TSP headers, but i am not sure what heads and cam to go with. Ive long thought a out the MS3 or 4 and the Trickflow 220's.
Im kinda thinking of trying to pickup another .4 to .5 in time
Whats some thoughs on those cams and heads?
Current top end is 228R-112, 243 heads (Home ported) milled .012 with .040 cometics, ported fast 90 with ls2 tb, pacesetter 1 3/4" headers.
Now i need to get a current time and trap with the 140# drop of rotational weight (140# drop in weight of wheels and tires) plus 55# of plain static weight. The rotational weight should give me a good bit.
I plan to go to 1 7/8" TSP headers, but i am not sure what heads and cam to go with. Ive long thought a out the MS3 or 4 and the Trickflow 220's.
Im kinda thinking of trying to pickup another .4 to .5 in time
Whats some thoughs on those cams and heads?
Have you checked out the Speed Engineering 1 7/8" headers? They seem to be a great bang for the buck and the fitment is spot on. As far as heads go, you can't go wrong with a set of the TFS 220cc heads. If you get them from Brian Tooley, he can do some hand porting and put powdered metal guides in them so you can run your stock rockers. As far as the cam goes, I'd have Brian Tooley spec one out for you. One of his "off the shelf" cams may be just the ticket, or he may suggest something custom. Either way, you'd be in great hands with Brian specing out the heads/cam combo.
Are you planning on keeping the FAST 90 and LS2 TB setup?
Are you planning on keeping the FAST 90 and LS2 TB setup?
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Brian didnt even cross my mind. I will get in contact with him.
As of now yes but if i could possibly find a decent priced tb i may would go ahead and swap to the 102. Everything 102 in the electronic style tb is high $$
As of now yes but if i could possibly find a decent priced tb i may would go ahead and swap to the 102. Everything 102 in the electronic style tb is high $$
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I have a BTR TFS 220 with BTR stage 4 cam and BTR ported fast 102mm. I also have speed engineering 1 7/8 with a custom 4 inch y pipe and 4 inch cutout. My shortblock is a stock ls2 with arp rod/main bolts.
With 4000 stall and proper rear end, tires and suspension, I ran 10.30 with over 130mph.. and I make over 500whp through a stalled auto.
On stock rockers, hydraulic cam.. I think this is max effort build with pump gas and very hard to make more power. Can't go wrong with Brian Tooley Racing.
With 4000 stall and proper rear end, tires and suspension, I ran 10.30 with over 130mph.. and I make over 500whp through a stalled auto.
On stock rockers, hydraulic cam.. I think this is max effort build with pump gas and very hard to make more power. Can't go wrong with Brian Tooley Racing.
I have a BTR TFS 220 with BTR stage 4 cam and BTR ported fast 102mm. I also have speed engineering 1 7/8 with a custom 4 inch y pipe and 4 inch cutout. My shortblock is a stock ls2 with arp rod/main bolts.
With 4000 stall and proper rear end, tires and suspension, I ran 10.30 with over 130mph.. and I make over 500whp through a stalled auto.
On stock rockers, hydraulic cam.. I think this is max effort build with pump gas and very hard to make more power. Can't go wrong with Brian Tooley Racing.
With 4000 stall and proper rear end, tires and suspension, I ran 10.30 with over 130mph.. and I make over 500whp through a stalled auto.
On stock rockers, hydraulic cam.. I think this is max effort build with pump gas and very hard to make more power. Can't go wrong with Brian Tooley Racing.
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The setup is well optimized.. but I still can't catch up with chrs1313
Hey made 522 whp on a
sbe ls1 and ran 9.89 @ 134mph
That is one of hell of a setup.. although he was 200lbs lighter and has 12 bolt. We trap the same. He had a tea tfs 215 head on his car.
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1.875" headers, Brian Tooley TFS220's, and a cam to match should give you an appreciable gain even without the weight reduction. I think that drop in rotational mass, combined with a BTR top end will be absolutely ****.
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I would call TSP and see what they have to offer. I find it a lot better to buy from the guys who build the stuff you want vs a reseller like BTR. Since tsp grinds cams in house, cast their own aftermarket cylinder heads and actually tests their stuff them seem to have a good grasp on what makes power. I had a buddy who just got one of their camshafts and it is pretty badass. You can tell a difference just looking at them. Do your research!
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I would call TSP and see what they have to offer. I find it a lot better to buy from the guys who build the stuff you want vs a reseller like BTR. Since tsp grinds cams in house, cast their own aftermarket cylinder heads and actually tests their stuff them seem to have a good grasp on what makes power. I had a buddy who just got one of their camshafts and it is pretty badass. You can tell a difference just looking at them. Do your research!
With that being said.. TSP 225 Heads are slightly cheaper. The BTR TFS 220 is around $2000. Not much difference.
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I would call TSP and see what they have to offer. I find it a lot better to buy from the guys who build the stuff you want vs a reseller like BTR. Since tsp grinds cams in house, cast their own aftermarket cylinder heads and actually tests their stuff them seem to have a good grasp on what makes power. I had a buddy who just got one of their camshafts and it is pretty badass. You can tell a difference just looking at them. Do your research!
The Brian Tooley hand worked TFS 220cc heads with powdered metal guides is probably a little less than $2,000. At least it was when I was checking into them a couple years ago.
Another option would be to find a set of used AFR or TFS heads on the classified section on here. You can usually get a nice used set for around $1,600.
Another option would be to find a set of used AFR or TFS heads on the classified section on here. You can usually get a nice used set for around $1,600.
Maybe you should do some research. Lol.
Again, the op can do what he wants just sharing my opinions like everyone else.
I didnt say second hand... I think btr is just fine, everyone seems to like him. But what exactly does he manufacture there. What does he sell that isnt bought from another company.
Maybe you should do some research. Lol.
Again, the op can do what he wants just sharing my opinions like everyone else.
Maybe you should do some research. Lol.
Again, the op can do what he wants just sharing my opinions like everyone else.
Did you know he was the lead guy at TEA? I think he actually owned it if I'm not mistaken. I do know he was responsible for all the CNC work/programs there and was an iatrical part of the TFS heads. He manufactures his own springs and spring kits, and also his own trunion kit for stock rockers. Brian's springs and spring kits are next to none when it comes to quality.
He may very well make his own spring kits, (again a lot of people swear by them) but it is pretty well know that comp cams, lunati, and maybe a few other use the exact same spring. Do they buy from BTR, maybe, I have no clue. But I doubt Lunati buys parts from BTR
Again, I really have nothing more to say, in fact I probably should have said nothing to begin with as I don't want to start a bunch of internet BS...
thanks
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Ive never dealt with BTR but seeing his rep on this site proves to me his setups are no doubt good. With that said i have a TSP 228R cam and I do love it so its really going to come down to who can get me a setup to reach my goal of 11.0 in a pickup with a stock bottom end LS1 without any FI or N2O
Ive never dealt with BTR but seeing his rep on this site proves to me his setups are no doubt good. With that said i have a TSP 228R cam and I do love it so its really going to come down to who can get me a setup to reach my goal of 11.0 in a pickup with a stock bottom end LS1 without any FI or N2O
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1st post is everything about it. Was 3980# now with bogarts and other weight removed itll be at 3780. Was running 11.9x's @ 110 and mid 1.5x - 60ft.
Im going to get a baseline with it setup now and see if its going to be a long shot or might be doable with the BTR topend
Im going to get a baseline with it setup now and see if its going to be a long shot or might be doable with the BTR topend