It's a MMS C5R blocked 224/.566/114 motor going on 6000 miles. It runs smooth like butter now since everything now is bedding in, and it feels smoother than my stock motor. Still running on dino breakin oil, and will be changing to Royal Purple oil at 7000 miles. Synthetics will make it run even better. To me "smooth" really means something for my daily driver.

Leo

 

Sweet. So, what does it feel like at a 60 punch? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 11 Bravo:
<strong> Sweet. So, what does it feel like at a 60 punch? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I always have the ASR on and with 315 Nitto DRs it trips the ASR. Without the ASR, it would be spin city. Very dangerous running side by side with anyone and especially next to a tractor trailor. Think I have found the limit for street torque! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Leo

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by pedaltothemetal:
<strong> It's a MMS C5R blocked 224/.566/114 motor going on 6000 miles. It runs smooth like butter now since everything now is bedding in, and it feels smoother than my stock motor. Still running on dino breakin oil, and will be changing to Royal Purple oil at 7000 miles. Synthetics will make it run even better. To me "smooth" really means something for my daily driver.

Leo </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Happy for you, but I'm feelin <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

I just can't get a break. Now the converter is slipping at 3800 rpm. And that's with the 2nd BRAND SPANKIN NEW FLP IV tranny. The 1st tranny didn't slip at all, but it had that slow dripping leak. Tomorrow the line pressure is going to be checked, that's all it can be, if so a 3rd tranny will have to be sent to me. I don't even know if I want this car anymore. I have over 500 RWHP waiting to hit the pavement and it's being DENIED!!

What tranny do you have?
How much $$$?
Will it handle 500+ RWHP?

If this 3rd tranny has any issues at all, I'm getting my money back and going with someone else.

 

a 224/224 .566/.566 114 cam in a 427 will definitely give you smooth

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by pedaltothemetal:
I always have the ASR on and with 315 Nitto DRs it trips the ASR. Without the ASR, it would be spin city. Very dangerous running side by side with anyone and especially next to a tractor trailor. Think I have found the limit for street torque! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Leo [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No kidding. I know some told you that you should have gone with a bigger cam, but there is only so much power you can apply on the street. You made a good choice.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Quickin:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by pedaltothemetal:
<strong> It's a MMS C5R blocked 224/.566/114 motor going on 6000 miles. It runs smooth like butter now since everything now is bedding in, and it feels smoother than my stock motor. Still running on dino breakin oil, and will be changing to Royal Purple oil at 7000 miles. Synthetics will make it run even better. To me "smooth" really means something for my daily driver.

Leo </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Happy for you, but I'm feelin <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

I just can't get a break. Now the converter is slipping at 3800 rpm. And that's with the 2nd BRAND SPANKIN NEW FLP IV tranny. The 1st tranny didn't slip at all, but it had that slow dripping leak. Tomorrow the line pressure is going to be checked, that's all it can be, if so a 3rd tranny will have to be sent to me. I don't even know if I want this car anymore. I have over 500 RWHP waiting to hit the pavement and it's being DENIED!!

What tranny do you have?
How much $$$?
Will it handle 500+ RWHP?

If this 3rd tranny has any issues at all, I'm getting my money back and going with someone else. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hi Lyle,
Hang in there!
Chuck at FLP is a good guy and will get it right! My trannie was built by Dana from ProBuilt. So far with almost 30 passes no problems yet. It runs on the PCM, and no vacuum modulator installed. I think we are both at the limit. That's why if you want more hp than you do now, you will have to go with a TH400 by Roslier or another builder. Won't be fun without the overdrive. Only thing different from yours, is mine has 3.42 and yours is 3.73 rear end. I don't know if that is a difference with what our trans can hold. I also had a leak but it was from my freeze plut on my trans yoke. I solved that with some 5 min JB Weld.

Leo

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 11 Bravo:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by pedaltothemetal:
I always have the ASR on and with 315 Nitto DRs it trips the ASR. Without the ASR, it would be spin city. Very dangerous running side by side with anyone and especially next to a tractor trailor. Think I have found the limit for street torque! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Leo </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No kidding. I know some told you that you should have gone with a bigger cam, but there is only so much power you can apply on the street. You made a good choice. [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes bigger cam less lowend torque. But I had to pass CA emissions. Besides having too much torque, it's really loud when I floor it. I think anyone next to me will have the sh*ts. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Leo

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> My trannie was built by Dana from ProBuilt. So far with almost 30 passes no problems yet. It runs on the PCM, and no vacuum modulator installed.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How much $$$? I may just try them out. Have a link or phone number?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> That's why if you want more hp than you do now, you will have to go with a TH400 by Roslier or another builder.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't want this much power, remember I didn't want this huge cam, it was put in by mistake. I wanted a 230/230. 450 RWHP would have been just fine with me. I should have gone with a Hughes Performance 4L80E, computer controlled TH400 with overdrive. Works perfectly with the cars PCM.

Oh well, we'll see this week I guess.

 

That's great that your 427 is running awesome now. I remember just last week you were saying how you had two step the car on cold starts. I take it that that problem has also resolved itself? I hope it has.


Quickin:

Man that really sucks man i feel your pain. 2 FLP brand new trannys and issues to boot. I have a FLP level IV also with over 10K miles on it and MTI is currently building me my 427 ironblock which should be good for about 480rwhp and my biggest original worry is these darn 4L60E trannys holding the power. I sure i will have my share of issues and there are always issues when you get radical with these mods. Wish my car was a M6 as tuning the power into the tranny is MUCH EASIER with the manual tranny.

Can you describe what is happening with your slipping converter? Sorry about the simpleton question but i am certainly no mechanic nor calim to be. Are you spanking the rev limiter at WOT or when the converter slips or both?

I am sure Chuck at FLP can get it right but the trial and error and downtime really sucks and i feel your pain. Fortunately for me i live 1/2 hour from FLP but i know all to well that sickening feeling of down time caused by problems with radical mods.

BEST OF LUCK to both of you gentleman

Also, Quicken, what were your final dyno numbers?

MTI 427 C5 Roadster <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MTI 427 C5 Roadster:
<strong> That's great that your 427 is running awesome now. I remember just last week you were saying how you had two step the car on cold starts. I take it that that problem has also resolved itself? I hope it has.
MTI 427 C5 Roadster <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually the 2 footed staring will be permanent. But to me it's not a problem cause after it starts it runs perfectly. It just need throttle to keep the cold engine from stalling. But that's only until I get out of the driveway and take off. Then it's fine at the stopsign which is just a half a block down from my house.

Leo

 

How about a built 200-4R?? Holding well, both on motor and on gas.

Greg

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MTI 427 C5 Roadster:
Quickin:

Man that really sucks man i feel your pain. 2 FLP brand new trannys and issues to boot. I have a FLP level IV also with over 10K miles on it and MTI is currently building me my 427 ironblock which should be good for about 480rwhp and my biggest original worry is these darn 4L60E trannys holding the power. I sure i will have my share of issues and there are always issues when you get radical with these mods. Wish my car was a M6 as tuning the power into the tranny is MUCH EASIER with the manual tranny.

Can you describe what is happening with your slipping converter? Sorry about the simpleton question but i am certainly no mechanic nor calim to be. Are you spanking the rev limiter at WOT or when the converter slips or both?

I am sure Chuck at FLP can get it right but the trial and error and downtime really sucks and i feel your pain. Fortunately for me i live 1/2 hour from FLP but i know all to well that sickening feeling of down time caused by problems with radical mods.

BEST OF LUCK to both of you gentleman

Also, Quicken, what were your final dyno numbers?

MTI 427 C5 Roadster <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well first: the car was completely put together by Mike Norris in the time promised <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> You also must know that my cam is much larger than the one I wanted <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" /> , we expected about 450 RWHP. Nicks fault there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> , I asked for a stock-like idle and he chose a 242/242 .610/.610 114lsa <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> I've learned that one mans smooth idle is another mans nightmare, me being that other man. The stock fuel pump could have handled that RWHP. Mike even mentioned that he expects a fuel pressure problem before he dynoed it. He dynoed it, untuned and pulled 480 RWHP just before 5000 rpm, when the fuel pressure dropped 3 psi. As soon as it passed 5000 rpm it quickly dropped 10 psi more. The run was aborted.
That was the only problem, everything else performed fine. A day before I was going to get the car the tranny started to drip,drip,drip <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" />
Ok, I'm a sport, I'll wait patiently for another tranny <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> **** happens. It arrives, gets put in and now the slipping converter at 3800 rpm. Never got anywhere close to WOT, the converter would melt. It just starts to slip in a bad way. You must let off the gas or you'll destroy the converter.
Being patient is no problem for me, it's the extra $500 I already spent on this rental car. If it's the tranny again, I'm sure I'm looking at another couple weeks in all.

So no, I don't have final dyno numbers yet. It's been guessed that it will be well over 500 RWHP, I have no clue. Another guy with an ARE 436 (slightly smaller cam than me 240/240 I think, everything else the same) put down 453 at 5000, and 496 at 6300. So I think if I guess from that car, I should be around 515-520 at 6300ish. I don't know.

I just want the car back so I go for a <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by WeatherGuy:
<strong> How about a built 200-4R?? Holding well, both on motor and on gas.

Greg </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Tell me about this tranny. I can get one right now from someone in West Palm Beach for $1,500.

Does it drive exactly like the 4L60E?
Will I tell a difference?
Overdrive?
Will it fit right in? Same drive shaft and everthing?
Computer controlled?

Thanks

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong> Cracks me up that you are complaining about too much power <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> That HAS to be a first LOL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Chris </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, I really don't want a lopey idle. I literally spent the extra $10-12,000, whatever it was, for a stroker over a H/C motor just to have a smooth idle. That's allot of money to spend on idle alone.

The cam should have been a 230/230, how can a 230/230 be mistaken for a 242/242? Thats like installing an 8cyl. into a 6cycl. car by accident. It has caused allot other problems, the PCM tune we had by Ed Wright, the converter choice (it has to be changed tomorrow it's too tight for the idle now), my idle quality is out the window (I geared this entire project around the idle) and the gas mileage won't be anywhere near good anymore. Wade just put in whatever was on my order sheet (from Nick in February) so it's not his fault. Wade has also told me that if I don't like that cam he'll gladly change it for me.
I hope I love the power and I can deal with the idle, that would be kick-***.

<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong> Cracks me up that you are complaining about too much power <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> That HAS to be a first LOL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Chris </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That does sound pretty strange doesn't it? Complaining about too much power on a performance forum, I have to give myself this <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

PS Really I'm just complaining about the bi-product, the idle.

 

Hi Lyle,
If you want more power and have it run like stock, lower the compression a little, put in a small cam like mine with a 5lb blower. Or a small cam and a nitrous kit.

Leo

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Well, I really don't want a lopey idle. I literally spent the extra $10-12,000, whatever it was, for a stroker over a H/C motor just to have a smooth idle. That's allot of money to spend on idle alone.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If it's an FBody cam swaps are no big deal, just throw a 224 cam in there for a nice smooth ride. You might also consider the MMS 229v2.1, I had that in my 396 and it idled like stock! My new 242/236 110ls has a bit more lope. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Quickin:
<strong>Does it drive exactly like the 4L60E?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Quickin:
<strong>Will I tell a difference?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Maybe

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Quickin:
<strong>Overdrive?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Quickin:
<strong>Will it fit right in? Same drive shaft and everthing?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No. The driveshaft, trans mount and bolt pattern to the engine are different (Yank sells an adaptor plate)

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Quickin:
<strong>Computer controlled?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No


My personal choice?...I'd go with the Hughes built 4L80E. They rebuilt my second 4L60E and gave me a 1 year warranty with it. I've had no problems since (rapidly approaching the one year mark now). I'll be honest, I'm kind of jaded since I live in Phoenix...where they're located. If I have problems I don't have to go far.

Good luck with the car. I've gone through allot of crap with my car too (5 figures $), but at the end of the day it's just too much fun to get rid of. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

 

I'm having too much fun too! Should change my name to "half-throttle" cause now I got so much power I can't do the pedaltothemetal much anymore! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Leo