800 miles, Valve Spring broken = engine toast
My Brian Tooley .650 platinum springs were $149 shipped....Are they going to be as good as a PAC .650 kit, no.....do I expect them to be better than some Chinese knock-off kit, hell yes. Why? Because they are advertised and sold as Brian Tooley springs, not as rebranded Chinese springs with a BTR label on them. So even if they're made in china, they're at least made to his spec's and he stands behind them. Based on the OP's post in this thread, the springs he bought were sold as a reputable vendor's springs and in actuality are chinese ebay springs known to have poor quality.
That is entire basis of my argument. If they were the vendors own springs and they failed, ok stuff happens. If they were ADVERTISED as rebranded Chinese springs than its buyer-beware. NEITHER OF THOSE IS THE SCENARIO.
That is entire basis of my argument. If they were the vendors own springs and they failed, ok stuff happens. If they were ADVERTISED as rebranded Chinese springs than its buyer-beware. NEITHER OF THOSE IS THE SCENARIO.
The OP just said the packaging looks the same as the chinese springs he sees on eBay, but that doesn't mean it didn't come from the same plant manufactured to a different spec/quality requirement than the PEP springs. That doesn't mean that the ebay vendor and CoSpeed don't use the same boxes to ship springs in either.
My point is that there are still a lot of unanswered questions; too many to start grabbing pitchforks and lighting torches. We haven't even heard the other side of the story yet.
As a moderator you have engaged in slander and libel here, you may want to reconsider what you say in the future.
Regards,
Brian Tooley
I doubt we'll hear the other side of the story. I get what you're saying KCS, but if the vendor was selling the exact same eBay springs anyone could purchase off eBay and then marking them up and advertising and selling them as something other than that, then that's not right in my opinion.
I think the Chinese springs are made mostly of bamboo shoots and rice.
And if the vendor doesn't choose to post up their side of the story, how is that anyone in this threads fault?
Brian Tooley, I did not mean to imply your stuff was made in china. I was speaking in generalities and if I came across or assumed that you springs were made the same place as most other springs, I apologize. So far I have been very happy with your product.
I doubt we'll hear the other side of the story. I get what you're saying KCS, but if the vendor was selling the exact same eBay springs anyone could purchase off eBay and then marking them up and advertising and selling them as something other than that, then that's not right in my opinion.
Are you serious? Are you reading my entire replies or just picking and choosing what to reply to. I specifically said it was likely that most/all vendors get their springs from the same place, but the difference is the tolerance and quality process, but you seem to continually ignore that comment. Besides core materials used, the quality and test process is what entirely makes junk parts vs. well performing or higher end pieces. The OP even replied agreeing with why he's upset because it is highly suspect and looks like they advertised the springs as their own not a rebranded ebay piece. I guess we'll just agree to disagree.
My Brian Tooley .650 platinum springs were $149 shipped....Are they going to be as good as a PAC .650 kit, no.....do I expect them to be better than some Chinese knock-off kit, hell yes. Why? Because they are advertised and sold as Brian Tooley springs, not as rebranded Chinese springs with a BTR label on them. So even if they're made in china, they're at least made to his spec's and he stands behind them. Based on the OP's post in this thread, the springs he bought were sold as a reputable vendor's springs and in actuality are chinese ebay springs known to have poor quality.
**Obviously, BTR springs are not Chinese springs, just in case anyone again missed that we're talking about a hypotheictal scenario.**
The main problem I see is that it's being assumed that they are the same exact Chinese PEP springs sold on ebay, without the consideration that it may just be that they come from the same place, but manufactured to a higher standard. I am not saying that is the case, but again, another hypothetical scenario to present judgments are made.
Notice the portion in bold. You poised a hypothetical scenario where BTR sold Chinese springs, but it was ok since it would be built to their specs but in the very next sentence, you criticize another vendor for selling Chinese springs.
**Obviously, BTR springs are not Chinese springs, just in case anyone again missed that we're talking about a hypotheictal scenario.**
The main problem I see is that it's being assumed that they are the same exact Chinese PEP springs sold on ebay, without the consideration that it may just be that they come from the same place, but manufactured to a higher standard. I am not saying that is the case, but again, another hypothetical scenario to present judgments are made.
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Thanks for saying so. The first Spintron testing was performed on these springs when I was still at TFS/TEA. Then after I left TFS changed spring vendors which is why I'm in the spring business.
The second Spintron testing was performed last December. We saw some issues with a LS7 and a LSA applications that we wanted to test. What we found is the 120 gram LSA intake valve is difficult to control and had a lot of bounce, and is a good application for something like the Comp conical springs, and the LS7 has a rocker/stand deflection issue which we fixed by redesigning the LS7 cam lobes.
We have good resources and we do a lot of testing.
The second Spintron testing was performed last December. We saw some issues with a LS7 and a LSA applications that we wanted to test. What we found is the 120 gram LSA intake valve is difficult to control and had a lot of bounce, and is a good application for something like the Comp conical springs, and the LS7 has a rocker/stand deflection issue which we fixed by redesigning the LS7 cam lobes.
We have good resources and we do a lot of testing.
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Thanks for saying so. The first Spintron testing was performed on these springs when I was still at TFS/TEA. Then after I left TFS changed spring vendors which is why I'm in the spring business.
The second Spintron testing was performed last December. We saw some issues with a LS7 and a LSA applications that we wanted to test. What we found is the 120 gram LSA intake valve is difficult to control and had a lot of bounce, and is a good application for something like the Comp conical springs, and the LS7 has a rocker/stand deflection issue which we fixed by redesigning the LS7 cam lobes.
We have good resources and we do a lot of testing.
The second Spintron testing was performed last December. We saw some issues with a LS7 and a LSA applications that we wanted to test. What we found is the 120 gram LSA intake valve is difficult to control and had a lot of bounce, and is a good application for something like the Comp conical springs, and the LS7 has a rocker/stand deflection issue which we fixed by redesigning the LS7 cam lobes.
We have good resources and we do a lot of testing.