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Old 01-08-2017, 11:19 AM
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I am gathering parts for my heads/cam swap and nearing the final items on my list. I already have me heads and the cam:

EPS 226/230 112 +4 .604/.604
TEA Stage 1 5.7 Heads (CNC'd 241s) w/BTR 660 Platinums STEEL RETAINERS Heads still have stock valves.
Stock rockers with trunnion upgrade.
Totally Stock LS1 bottom end.

Also I have already accumulated all the small parts except for my lifters and pushrods. I WILL be measuring for proper pushrod length before ordering my pushrods.

This engine will be in a daily driven M6 2000 Camaro, that will also see weekend auto-x duty. Likely won't be turning over about 6400rpm max due to the cam size and that i will be using a stock LS6 intake (of course won't know for sure until it's on a dyno)

Long term reliability and ability to take a beating daily are the key factors however not spinning insanely high RPMs are something to be taken into consideration as well. Here's what I am thinking of using please make any suggestions or give me your thoughts as to if this will be a suitable setup. Are the .105 wall pushrods overkill or a good upgrade with my stock valves and using steel retainers?

TICK Performance 5/16 .105 Wall Pushrods
Johnson 2110 (Standard travel) Lifters
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Also in case it helps here is a copy of the cam specs in more detail. Really hoping this will work good with my CNC'd 241s and LS6 intake.

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The 2110 lifters are good lifters. I'd move up to 11/32 pushrods. Those will be far stronger than thick wall 5/16"
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I wouldn't overthink it for a pretty mild setup like that. "LS7" lifters and standard thick wall 5/16" should be fine. I have pretty much an identical cam (113 LSA though) and AI ported 243s on a LS6. I know we have different heads but mine held power all the way to 7k. I use my car on the street and hpde.
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I would also go to a larger OD pushrod. Thicker pushrods buy you almost no increase in stiffness. I would also install a timing chain damper, although chain wrap may be less of an issue with an auto. I would also either go stock or with an ATI harmonic damper.
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I am in the process of tearing down for a build with a nearly identical cam, EPS 226/230 113+2, and also the Johnson 2110's. I plan on going with 11/32" pushrods at a minimum. I would like to go 3/8" but from my research they don't always fit, and I don't feel comfortable clearancing them myself. Also the double tapered ones are quite a bit more expensive.

^vettenuts did a few good write-ups on here and on corvettefourms that is helpful when considering what kind/size pushrods to get.
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Thank you guys for the input.
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Originally Posted by z-camaro
I am in the process of tearing down for a build with a nearly identical cam, EPS 226/230 113+2, and also the Johnson 2110's. I plan on going with 11/32" pushrods at a minimum. I would like to go 3/8" but from my research they don't always fit, and I don't feel comfortable clearancing them myself. Also the double tapered ones are quite a bit more expensive.
Same basic deal here. Looking at Manton 11/32" units with CNC'd stock castings.
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Anyone know who usually keeps the 11/32 Mantons in stock? I'd like to go that route however I won't know what length I need until I get everything setup and measured. I'd like to avoid downtime and know of a place who keeps them in stock.
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Manton makes them to order. They do deliver very quickly though. Since you need to measure for your pushrod length, it really won't add any more time.
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Originally Posted by vettenuts
Manton makes them to order. They do deliver very quickly though. Since you need to measure for your pushrod length, it really won't add any more time.
Thanks I will give them a call.
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What series of the mantons do we want, 3, 5?

I just measured my passenger side pushrods panties and it's looking like I need to order 7.25-7.26". Does that sound close to what you guys are getting for lengths?
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7.25 should be with no preload figured in.
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Originally Posted by mOtOrHeAd MiKe
Same basic deal here. Looking at Manton 11/32" units with CNC'd stock castings.
Went with Trend - amazing pieces.
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Originally Posted by kinglt-1
7.25 should be with no preload figured in.
7.25-7.27 is with .040 preload already added.


Originally Posted by mOtOrHeAd MiKe
Went with Trend - amazing pieces.
What length and what lifters are you running?

BarnStorm, what length did you end up with?
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Originally Posted by z-camaro
What length and what lifters are you running?
7.350" long, 11/32" dia w/5/16" ball ends, and .120" wall thickness.

This is with a Cam Motion cam, BTR SLR lifters, stock rockers w/ Straub trunnions, TSP Stage 1 799/243s not milled (I hope), BTR .660" springs, and stock .051" 5.7/5.3L HO steel shim head gaskets.

I just got it running last night with open exhaust - but the valvetrain didn't sound like it had a problem.
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Originally Posted by z-camaro
7.25-7.27 is with .040 preload already added.



What length and what lifters are you running?

BarnStorm, what length did you end up with?
not 100% confirmed yet but looking like 7.350 with the 2110s and unmilled 241s



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