AFR + Lingenfelter
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AFR + Lingenfelter Have an 02 A4 Formula with 4000 miles with just lid and catback. I'm saving for AFR 205 heads and Lingenfelter GT2-3 Cam (installation planned for December) Anyway car dynoed 305rwhp-322rwtq with catback last year, and ran best 13.3@105 2.1 60' with catback and lid a month ago. Anyways with the addition of the mentioned heads-cam combo what would be the expected rwhp and tq ?(same stock shift points) What kind of trap speeds should I expect in decent air with same 2.1 60'? The specs on the cam are ~207-220 .573-.580 117.5 LSA. The cost for parts and installation etc. is going probably be between 3-4K. I have my reasons for this conservative combo, but just want thoughts on the probable addtional power from this combo.
Thanks in advance.
John
Thanks in advance.
John
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With your gt2-3 cam,and your automatic,You should raise your shift points by 200 rpm to take advantage of the cam. Don't forget that you need to change your springs to some comp 918. I think this cam gives you 425 hp at flywheel not rear wheel, (stock heads).With the AFR heads, I have no idea what the hp would be. Don't count out the T.E.A. or absoluts heads!
Last edited by wildta; Jun 24, 2004 at 02:26 PM.
Originally Posted by 52172
TEA's and absolute heads are no where near the 480 rwhp with only a 224/224 cam so I don't know why you are even mentioning don't count?
Not trying to argue, I just don’t know what you are talking about.
Do a search on afr 205 heads by Tony the owner or head honcho of afr and you will get lots of hits and dyno graphs with these new heads with only a 224/224 cam and the numbers are unbelievable I am sure its making everyone very jealous because their numbers with bigger cams and expensive heads ain't **** anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by 52172
TEA's and absolute heads are no where near the 480 rwhp with only a 224/224 cam so I don't know why you are even mentioning don't count?
For what its worth , I hope these heads are as great as they are "said" to be.
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the gt2-3 cam is not a 207-220 .573-.580 117.5 LSA it is a 207-220 578/578 on a 118.5 lsa. Yes i know that what is on the sight but that is the old grind and they have not updated there sight and i dont think they ever will.
<------- got the cam and called lpe and they told me that "this is the new grind we have not changed the sight yet."
<------- got the cam and called lpe and they told me that "this is the new grind we have not changed the sight yet."
Originally Posted by JBsC5
one of the LS6 guys with AFR heads/stock cam /no headers threw down 409rwhp
If he had headers it would have been closer to 440-450rwhp(guessing).
Originally Posted by 52172
TEA's and absolute heads are no where near the 480 rwhp with only a 224/224 cam so I don't know why you are even mentioning don't count?
We shall see.
Maybe you should allow for real cars to get these heads on before thinking they are way superior to the top LSx heads from the better companies.
We have 1 car with a 224 cam making 480 on 1 dyno.
This just happens to be the owner of AFR who has made this power.
I think in the very near future we will all have a "real" idea of how these heads work.
I am in no way saying the 480 is a fluke or not accurate but we need to see other dyno graph's on other cars to prove it.
Remember when the T rex cam came out and thunder made 451 on stock heads.
Everyone bought the cam.
How many other people have you see make even 440 with stock heads and the T rex.
Thats right NONE. I thing there was a guy who was very close with Z06 heads but thats it.
Originally Posted by JDPZ28
Doesn't this mean he has an "LS6" cam though?
If he had headers it would have been closer to 440-450rwhp(guessing).
If he had headers it would have been closer to 440-450rwhp(guessing).
Are you kidding me?
440 - 450??? you tell me there is a 30-40 RWHP gain by adding headers.
Prove this one to me and I will buy you a big mack.
Originally Posted by JBsC5
440 rwhp would be my guess. (with a manual? maybe less with automatic b/c of extra 5% driveline loss)
Good luck with this cool combo...
Good luck with this cool combo...
Man if 440 were that easy we would all be there.
Come on guys I cant believe how many of you guys aren't using you damn brains.
440 w/o LT's, Ported TB, Tune, Pulley, cutout or true duals, and with that cam.
Dude you will be lucky to hit 380 without a tune and 410 with a solid tune.
There is a lot of power in the small things. You have to have all the correct bolton's if you want to see 440 RWHP or some nasty cubic inches (NA)
Originally Posted by wildta
With your gt2-3 cam,and your automatic,You should raise your shift points by 200 rpm to take advantage of the cam. Don't forget that you need to change your springs to some comp 918. I think this cam gives you 425 hp at flywheel not rear wheel, (stock heads).With the AFR heads, I have no idea what the hp would be. Don't count out the T.E.A. or absoluts heads!
Damn I am being a post ***** on this one.
Just trying to help the guys out.
The heads come with springs so please do not worry about buying 918's or anyother spring for that matter.
LT's will help out in your setup.
The guys said w.o them it will be chocking the motor.
He is right they defentially help.
Also dont just guess at changing your shift points by 200 RPM's, get this combo tuned, and allow the tuner to tell you where you should be shifting.
Have him change you rev limiter so you can shift at the correct RPM's.
In all reality if you dont adjust the stock Rev limiter you might not ever see 400 RWHP because you will hit the rev limiter before you get into your major power band.
The cam you are buying can be compaired to a Z06 cam with more lift.
That cam makes peak power around 6500-6600 with Z06 heads. You will never see your real peak power w/o a tune and w/o changing you rev limiter.
Im done no more posts on this thread.
Originally Posted by PewterZ28
Please explain what you mean. Where are you getting the number 480?
Not trying to argue, I just don’t know what you are talking about.
Not trying to argue, I just don’t know what you are talking about.
Originally Posted by JZ'sTA
Are you kidding me?
440 - 450??? you tell me there is a 30-40 RWHP gain by adding headers.
Prove this one to me and I will buy you a big mack.
440 - 450??? you tell me there is a 30-40 RWHP gain by adding headers.
Prove this one to me and I will buy you a big mack.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ight=supermaxx
You will see more of a gain from headers with heads/cam than stock internals
Please send the big mac to:
Jonathon Prance
101 Harvolly Dr.
Holly Springs, N.C. 27540